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My hair used to be nice thick and shiny. I have been diagnosed with thyroid disease 2 years ago and have lost a lot of hair, its thin, frizzy and a mess when I air dry and I have to either straighten it or use a curling iton to make it presentable I wish to stop using all heat products for styling and go natural. I am hoping someone here can help me identify my hair type and direct me clearly on which products to used to help me achieve the most curl or wave my hair is capable of. It is coarse and dry please look at photos and advise it would be greatly appreciated. I do colour my hair once every 12-16 weeks



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Last edited by jaclyn4238; 07-24-2013 at 03:15 PM. Reason: scroll down
What do you currently use? Do you deep condition? Have you tried coconut oil? Do you color your hair? I think it's going to have lovely wave.
2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Hi there!

I think your hair is probably 2b but it looks really stretched out and frizzy. But you've come to the right place!

The most important thing right now for you to do is understand basic wavy/curly haircare and figure out your hair properties. Product selection will depend on your properties as well as the dew points in your area... there's no one formula that fits all.

I would focus at first on getting a hang on proper haircare and getting your hair in better condition before going crazy with stylers (I'd say leave that as step 2). Although you're probably already doing this, make sure your thyroid issues are under control and keep in mind healthy eating. If your hair is already weakened you want to make sure you're getting the proper nutrition it needs!

This page has great introductions: Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I currently use john freida brillian brunette poo and suave line morran oil conditioner. after washing I use pantene bb cream then after air drying I must either straighten with an iron or curl wth a iron so its presentable. I do colour with volume 20 developer and loreal preference onyx sheen
I also colored, straightened and lost a lot of hair due to excessive shedding so I know exactly what you mean! Your hair looks just like mine if I brush it. Brushes can be a curlies worst nightmare in terms of creating frizz! I threw mine away and just gently detangle with my fingers in the shower. I agree with wavy daze, first focus on health- both yours and your hair's. I'd start with some coconut oil deep treatments. They really helped my hair retain moisture since they helped decrease my porosity. I'd guess through damage you're probably high porosity, too. Coconut oil and hydrolized wheat protein can help deal with damage. I'm typically protein sensitive, but I really like Colorful Neutral Protein Filler (available at Sally's for $2) because I can just put a few drops in my conditioner. I bet you could use some protein, too. But moisture is key. Go ahead and read wavydaze's link, then let us know what you think your properties are and we'll see if we can help.
2C normal/high porosity?, medium/coarse texture, lower density
Cleanse: Pura D'Or every week or two, Yes to Cukes
Conditioner: VO5 Kiwi Lime (LOVE!), Tresemme Naturals, YTC
DT: GVP Conditioning Balm w/ coconut oil
LI: a touch of JCTS
Products: my HG is Tresemme Bouncy Curls Defining Gel mixed with a touch of BRHG over a little flax seed gel, SM Souflee/Milk for 2nd day hair, occasionally Bioterra Curling Creme and Gel
Modified CG since November 2012- finally found what works!
I believe I am either 2 a or 2 b with coarse porus hair.
For refrence this is what my hair looked like last year before thyroid disease wreaked havoc on my hair

Welcome, sorry to read you have had health problems.

Hair is dead so damage cannot be permanently repaired unfortunately, and the combination of direct high heat and chemical dye is pretty damaging. All you can do is temporarily patch hair and avoid future damage. Beneficial ingredients for damaged or porous hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol. Avoid anionic surfactants including the sulphates and anything alkaline like soap or baking soda.

Are you permanently dying your hair, are you doing roots only or full head? Since it is dark have you considered switching to a high pigment semi permanent colour?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks fire fox. I am using permanent dye, full head. Loreal preference from sallys in black onyx with 20 vol developer every 12-16 weeks. can you give me ideas on which products to use?
Definitely try the coconut oil deep treatments. Coconut oil also allows protein to bond with your hair better. Protein is particularly helpful for porous or damaged hair. I have ApHogee protein treatment, which works well enough. Otherwise, you can make your hair gelatin protein treatment. See recipe here: Pedaheh's Hair Blog: Science-y Hair Blog Recipes

You want to stop using John Frieda shampoo. It has sulfates, which can damage hair and strip it of it's natural oils. Try searching for low poo on here. A lot of product suggestion threads should come up.

You may want to try cowashing. My favorite is Suave Naturals Coconut Conditioner, available at most superstores, drugstores, and grocery stores.

I love Tresemme Naturals conditioners as rinse out conditioners. They typically say "Silicone Free" on the bottle.
Wave Pattern: 2A
Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
I used a sulfate shampoo recently after not using anything but low poo. OMG I couldn't believe how it stripped every
living bit of moisture from my hair. That change alone with conditioning could show you a big improvement.
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2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Although it's not everyone, most people on nc.com are following the CG method so will probably encourage you to follow it as well. Is it something you're interested in? I think your hair could definitely benefit from it, but you do have to be ready and excited to do it (that means ditching all the silicones, sulfates, any drying ingredients and taking a new approach to haircare).

Anyway, even if you don't want to do the CG method fully or partially or whatever, I would still recommend you drop sulfates. Just get a low-poo with coco betaine or cocamidopropyl betaine if you keep wanting to use cones. Sulfates dry out the hair like crazy. If you're interested, you could give cowashing a go and see if it works for you. Anyway whether you go low-poo or no-poo, it's important to have a cleansing routine that isn't stripping. (If you go the no-poo route, it also means no-cones. Same with a low-poo that doesn't have c. betaine in it, like the SheaMoisture poos).

If your hair is porous you will need protein but that may be a little tricky if you're truly coarse (coarse hair usually doesn't like protein). I would recommend trying IAgirl's gelatin PT, but doing the quick, mild version... and seeing how it goes. You should look at what dusalocks uses, she's also coarse and porous. To my knowledge, she doesn't dye her hair so that may factor in (like you may be able to use more protein than she does).

Remember that many curlies think they're coarse but they're not, it's just that their hair dry. I'm not saying that you're not coarse, I'm just saying that many make this mistake. If your hair is actually more medium or fine you'll be able to use more protein.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Is the second wavy pic that you posted your natural curl pattern?

Also the ladies who posted above have given you great advice! I second almost everything! The only thing I would caution you against would be Aphogee 2 step... I think that's a strong PT and since you're coarse it may not be the right thing for you. A milder PT would be a better starting point.

Make sure your hair doesn't have any cones in it before you do a PT. So use a silicone-free low-poo with c. betaine before PTs if you use cones regularly.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Are you sure your hair is course? Here, by course we mean that the individual hair strand is wiry and thick like sewing thread. Sometimes that can be confused with being hair being dry. Your hair looks kind of whispy and fine to me, but it might just be the camera. i can't really definitively tell from a picture. I agree you should try some mild protein and see how your hair does with it.

Also, what do you do to style your hair? Do you brush it or comb it when it's dry.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
Thanks girls, On second thought my hair is not coarse, it is fine and thinning. It used to be thick and luscious, yes that is my normal wave pattern in the second batch of pics. Now I look like dried out hay. I am going to try the gelatin protein recipe and see how it goes. I also am interested in Co washing. I read somewhere that suave coconut condish is good for this, what else do I need? I fyou could give me names of products to try that would be best as my English is not terrific. my goal is to be free completely of heat styling as of now I either have to curl the hair with an iron or dry it and iron it straight.
also If I wanted to do a coconut oil treatment how would it wash out wth just condish? Would pureology hydrate condish be ok to use?
You can use Suave Naturals coconut to cowash. Just make sure you're using a lot of it and massaging it very very well, then rinse and condition as usual. Check the stickies "No-Poo" section of this forum, as well as the Newbies section. Just make sure if you're going to go the no-poo route that you don't use silicones in any of your products. Co-washing cannot break these down.

Oh and before you start co-washing, you'll need to do one final wash to break down the cones. This can be done with either a sulfate shampoo that is silicone free, or a low-poo that has c. betaine in it and is silicone free. If you don't have something like this, you can actually just use some watered down dish soap. After your final clarifying wash, you can begin your CG routine.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Thanks fire fox. I am using permanent dye, full head. Loreal preference from sallys in black onyx with 20 vol developer every 12-16 weeks. can you give me ideas on which products to use?
Originally Posted by jaclyn4238
Do a roots only application with a 20 vol developer, you will kill your hair going over and over the lengths every three to four months especially if you have also been heat styling. For the lengths use a product like Manic Panic or La Riche Directions, depending which country you are in.


Pureology contains ingredients that can build up or interfere with the cleansing process. Use something lightweight like Suave Naturals or VO5 (if in US), Inecto or Tresemme Naturals (if Europe).
"Water, Cetearyl Alcohol, Amodimethicone, Behentrimonium Chloride, Cetyl Esters, Mentha Arvensis Oil/Mentha Arvensis Leaf Oil, Fragrance, Trideceth-6, Methylparaben, Glycine Soja Oil/Soybean Oil, Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil/Sunflower Seed Oil, Panthenol, Butyrospermum Parkii Butter/Shea Butter, Cetrimonium Chloride, Limonene, Tocopherol, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Butter, Menthol, Chlorhexidine Dihydrochloride, Rosmarinus Officinalis Extract/Rosemary Leaf Extract, Salvia Officinalis Extract/Sage Leaf Extract, Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein PG-Propyl Silanetriol, Camellia Sinensis Extract/Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Benzophenone-4, Linalool, Hydrolyzed Oat Protein, Helianthus Annuus Seed Extract/Sunflower Seed Extract, Wheat Amino Acids, Mentha Piperita Extract/Peppermint Leaf Extract, Ascorbic Acid, Melanin."
Pureology Hydrate Conditioner - NaturallyCurly.com
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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