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Old 07-24-2013, 08:15 PM   #1
 
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After some board stalking I decided I just needed to flat out ask for help. My hair is thick and wavy. Some portions think it is very wavy, while others such as my very bottom layer of hair think they are kind of wavyish ( maybe even boarderline straight). I have recently decided after straightening it for the past 8 years that I was going to let my wavy flag fly, however I still can't figure out where I fit in the wavy spectrum. Attached is my washed and air dried hair. No products. I am completely product clueless since the only kind I have makes my hair wet looking and crunchy ( not what I'm going for ). I also recently cut it to about chin length and am now working in growing out healthy, undamaged by heat and hair dye waves.


Any advice on styling, products etc is very much appreciated.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:13 PM   #2
 
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I think you're 2a now but I wouldn't worry about curl pattern at this point. Have you figured out your hair properties? Your properties will help you determine what products to buy and what kind of "diet" you should be feeding your hair. Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics
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I think you're 2a now but I wouldn't worry about curl pattern at this point. Have you figured out your hair properties? Your properties will help you determine what products to buy and what kind of "diet" you should be feeding your hair. Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics
Okay so I ran a few hair tests this morning. While I feel it would help if I had someone else around to confirm this I'm thinking it goes as follows:

Width: coarse
Porosity: low
Density: medium to high

I have been told by just about every hair stylist that they can't believe how thick my hair is. Now that it's chin length it resembles a lion's mane most of the time.
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:03 PM   #4
 
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Hmmm your hair looks fine and wispy from the pic... remember your hair can be fine and dense.
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Hmmm your hair looks fine and wispy from the pic... remember your hair can be fine and dense.
Like I said I'm pretty lost. When I hold strands up to the light they seem very visible. Here's another example of my hair. This may or may not help
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:58 PM   #6
 
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To me you look 2b (going by system where letter equals weight of hair. You look medium weight to me.) or by the other system like 2a-b. like S'wavy to S'wavy curvy.
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Ps that's just the pattern. I can't see properties from a pick. Although it *looks* more medium to me.
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Hmmm your hair looks fine and wispy from the pic... remember your hair can be fine and dense.
Like I said I'm pretty lost. When I hold strands up to the light they seem very visible. Here's another example of my hair. This may or may not help
Well when I hold my hair up to the light the strands are also very visible but I'm still fine-haired. It's harder for me to tell from the second pic (and it's hard for anyone to tell from pics in general) but when I look at the first pic, I'm looking at the halo of hair in the section that has a shadow (looks dark grey or blac) in the background. The hairs there wisp out and they look really fine to me. Of course it's a picture, so my assessment may not be entirely accurate, but I don't see your hair being coarse. Maybe if you put your hair against a thread? I don't know if this site would help: Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)
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LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
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Well when I hold my hair up to the light the strands are also very visible but I'm still fine-haired. It's harder for me to tell from the second pic (and it's hard for anyone to tell from pics in general) but when I look at the first pic, I'm looking at the halo of hair in the section that has a shadow (looks dark grey or blac) in the background. The hairs there wisp out and they look really fine to me. Of course it's a picture, so my assessment may not be entirely accurate, but I don't see your hair being coarse. Maybe if you put your hair against a thread? I don't know if this site would help: Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: My 2 cents on Protein/Texture/Porosity/Moisture Balance! :-)[/QUOTE]


Thank you for sharing that site!! It does help. It's hard to imagine my hair as fine just because I have a lot of it but that's not to say that isn't true. I just concluded since I could see it very well it was coarse. I definitely feel like I am clueless about my own tresses.
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Ps that's just the pattern. I can't see properties from a pick. Although it *looks* more medium to me.
See, I knew I needed someone else's opinion. I am starting to think I may be medium across the board.
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If your hair is damaged by permanent dye and/ or heat then it's not likely to be low porosity, more likely medium to high. The porosity tests are not that helpful anyway it's best to see how your hair behaves, or have a hair analysis from Komaza Care or Live Curly Live Free if you are stuck.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Junk Science - Hair Porosity Tests / Float or Sink

For damaged hair try ingredients like coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol.
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Thank you for sharing that site!! It does help. It's hard to imagine my hair as fine just because I have a lot of it but that's not to say that isn't true. I just concluded since I could see it very well it was coarse. I definitely feel like I am clueless about my own tresses.

Hair width/texture and density are two very different things. You can have fine hair that is dense, that's actually quite common. Actually it's also very common for curlies to think they have coarse hair and then be shocked to find out it's actually fine. Dry hair can feel coarse. Also, many people confuse hair width and hair density, so one person or hairstylist from 10 years ago telling a curly they have coarse hair (when they meant "dense") forever ingrained the idea that they must have coarse hair.

I can often tell if someone is coarse or fine from far away... fine and coarse hair just lay differently. Fine hair also flies differently (literally)... it is weightless and blows in the wind and frizzes in a certain way... I have fine hair and I think your hair looks similar to mine. Anywhoo I can't tell 100% from the picture so take my assessment with a grain of salt, but I don't think you're coarse-haired. If you're still having trouble you can send a hair sample in to Live Curly Live Free for a hair analysis... they'll be able to tell you for sure.

Anyway the fine vs. coarse thing is to get a gage on how much protein your hair needs. Coarse hair is usually resistant to protein in hair products, fine hair tends to love protein in hair products w/ medium texture in between. All hair needs a little bit of protein IMO but fine and coarse can tell you where you fall on the spectrum and so what kind of products to choose. HTH
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LI: sometimes TN Radiant Care
Styler: FSG with CNPF, CJ Pattern Pusha, Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control*, Ogx BKT serum*
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

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Thank you for sharing that site!! It does help. It's hard to imagine my hair as fine just because I have a lot of it but that's not to say that isn't true. I just concluded since I could see it very well it was coarse. I definitely feel like I am clueless about my own tresses.

Hair width/texture and density are two very different things. You can have fine hair that is dense, that's actually quite common. Actually it's also very common for curlies to think they have coarse hair and then be shocked to find out it's actually fine. Dry hair can feel coarse. Also, many people confuse hair width and hair density, so one person or hairstylist from 10 years ago telling a curly they have coarse hair (when they meant "dense") forever ingrained the idea that they must have coarse hair.

I can often tell if someone is coarse or fine from far away... fine and coarse hair just lay differently. Fine hair also flies differently (literally)... it is weightless and blows in the wind and frizzes in a certain way... I have fine hair and I think your hair looks similar to mine. Anywhoo I can't tell 100% from the picture so take my assessment with a grain of salt, but I don't think you're coarse-haired. If you're still having trouble you can send a hair sample in to Live Curly Live Free for a hair analysis... they'll be able to tell you for sure.

Anyway the fine vs. coarse thing is to get a gage on how much protein your hair needs. Coarse hair is usually resistant to protein in hair products, fine hair tends to love protein in hair products w/ medium texture in between. All hair needs a little bit of protein IMO but fine and coarse can tell you where you fall on the spectrum and so what kind of products to choose. HTH
I think you may have just blown my mind. That makes a lot of sense. A lot of stylists have been pretty clueless about my hair. I have even been told that my hair has NO curl to it by some stylists, which it most obviously does. I really want to figure out my hair properties so I can start loving on my waves. I know there are beautiful frizz free waves to be had on my head. I very recently chopped all of the damaged/ dyed/ over straightened portion of my hair off, leaving myself with chin length hair. It was a little dramatic but the hair I am left with does feel healthier.
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