I Can't Escape My Frizz!

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  • 1 Post By kathymack
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So I think I'm figuring out this whole CG thing and I've gotten past wanting to give up on my hair because, yes, it actually *is* wavy (yay!). Prepare in advance for a slight diatribe but I promise, I really am looking for answers and not just venting

Here's my issue: frizz.

My hair likes protein. It makes it shiny, it helps it hold a curl, but... it gives me little crispy frizzies. So then I started adding moisture. It helped take away the slight "crispness" of my hair, but I think I may have overdone it on moisture because my hair got dull and almost mushy and all my waves just pulled themselves loooong and then fell out. The worst part? I still have frizz. I thought it may have been glycerin (plus humidity) causing some of the issues so I weeded it out of my products. I still have a ton of frizz.

I recently started pixie diffusing and it seemed to help, until my hair dried all the way. More frizz. Normally I co-wash, so I tried low-poo'ing and it didn't help. I tried a sulfate wash for oil/polyquat buildup. Still frizz. My hair has frizz when it's wet, when it's damp, and when it's dry. I do my best to not touch it or play with it too much. I've tried mixing up what products I use and how I apply them (next on the playbook is gel applied rake & shake, topped with mousse, followed by pixie diffuse). I tried more product, less product, no product. I applied it on soaking wet hair, damp hair, and dry hair. All I got was more frizz for my trouble. I am at the end of my rope with this stupid frizz!

It seems like anything that's heavy enough to completely tame my frizz makes my hair greasy and is so heavy it pulls out my curl pattern almost completely. Does anyone have suggestions for dealing with this? Help? Please?
2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion
Frizz when soaking wet? Could be protein overload, more conditioning or oiling may help but you sometimes need to wait for the excess protein to 'wear off' too. You won't necessarily get the excess off in one low-poo, some proteins can be highly substantive (sticks well to hair).

What are all your products?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I have pervasive surface frizz problems too. I can get rid of the pouf but the surface frizz is really stubborn (though I have had a few good days). I do believe my canopy has some damage from years of heat-styling, so I'm hoping that this improves the longer that I'm CG.

For now, sometimes I wonder if it doesn't just demand a gentle mechanical solution--some kind of "set" like twists or a French braid or something. Today was third-day hair, and I had my canopy twisted and in a jaw clip most of the day; looks not so bad now. Though I also have some of those coarse wiry hairs that will probably always poke out no matter what I do; I probably just have to accept some level of frizz.
Jessica
Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
Sealer: Olive oil
Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
DT: olive oil and honey
@Firefox; So, you're saying it's most likely the protein that's causing the frizz? Could doing a coconut oil treatment possibly help with some of the frizz? And if protein is the culprit, should I cut back on it or cut it out completely?

For my low-poo, I used the Organix Coconut Milk shampoo, which I think has a 'cone... uh oh. My sulfate shampoo was was YTC Nourishing, which I used after the Organix. I applied KCKT, followed by SheaM C&S milk, followed with Pantene Curls mousse. I'm thinking that this time it may have been product overload because I used a detangler and a L/I, plus a ton of mousse, but this is a consistent problem. Everything that I'm cycling through product-wise is:

Cowash: SN Coco, V05 MM
Low-poo: Organix Coconut Milk or SheaM C&S shampoo
Sulfate wash: YTC Nourishing
R/O: GVPCB, Ion Effective Care
PT: GVP K-Pac, Colorful NPF
L/I: KCKT, SheaM C&S milk (still not sure I actually need a leave-in)
Stylers: LA Sport gel (yellow), Pantene Curls mousse
2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion
I highly doubt the protein is giving you frizz. The only thing is I'd add enough moisture to take the "crispness" out of your hair, sounds like you've already been doing that. Your hair can get a little more frizzy if it's also crispy, but if it's not crispy it's not the protein that's giving you frizz. Be careful in how much moisture you add back though. Fine hair can get very easily over-condition, so you'll want to add moisture back after a PT but not so much that it undoes what the PT did in terms of protein-moisture balance. I have this issue frequently. My hair is never dry nor crispy, and all my products have protein (plus I add CNPF to my protein ROs) and I do PTs weekly! I just use non-stripping low-poos and good leave-in conditioners. I haven't DTed in months and I haven't needed it.

Honestly it sounds like a buildup issue to me. Is Joico KPak the only PT you've been doing? I'd recommend not doing this one, and doing a "cleaner" PT like the gelatin PT. KPak has mineral oil which could be building up. If you want purchasable PTs I'd recommend the Spiral Solutions one.

Check the Pantene product and any other product for polyquats. Many curlies have severe buildup issues with these and need sulfates to remove them (with 4, 7 and 10 being the biggest offenders).
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
@Firefox; So, you're saying it's most likely the protein that's causing the frizz? Could doing a coconut oil treatment possibly help with some of the frizz? And if protein is the culprit, should I cut back on it or cut it out completely?

For my low-poo, I used the Organix Coconut Milk shampoo, which I think has a 'cone... uh oh. My sulfate shampoo was was YTC Nourishing, which I used after the Organix. I applied KCKT, followed by SheaM C&S milk, followed with Pantene Curls mousse. I'm thinking that this time it may have been product overload because I used a detangler and a L/I, plus a ton of mousse, but this is a consistent problem. Everything that I'm cycling through product-wise is:

Cowash: SN Coco, V05 MM
Low-poo: Organix Coconut Milk or SheaM C&S shampoo
Sulfate wash: YTC Nourishing
R/O: GVPCB, Ion Effective Care
PT: GVP K-Pac, Colorful NPF
L/I: KCKT, SheaM C&S milk (still not sure I actually need a leave-in)
Stylers: LA Sport gel (yellow), Pantene Curls mousse
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
It sounds like product overload or buildup. The dimethicone copolyol in the organix low-poo is water soluble, unless your bottle has a different cone. Live Curly, Live Free: Silicones Not All Created Equal It shouldn't really cause problems if water-soluble AFAIK.

The Pantene mousse has polyquat 4 high on the list... this could be causing problems.

Shea butter can build up as well on its own, if you're using shea and polyquats and water soluble silicones and mineral oil, hmmm these could be all holding hands together on your hair and not in a good way.

Regarding your routine, it is very very heavy on moisture and not balanced enough on protein. I would never be able to use GVP CB regularly as my hair would quickly overcondition. Cure Care may not have enough protein either. Just noticed you're using sally's kpak and not joico kpak... are the ingredients similar? I would still suggest you go for another cleaner protein treatment. If you get overconditioned easily, I'd skip the leave-in.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
It seems like anything that's heavy enough to completely tame my frizz makes my hair greasy and is so heavy it pulls out my curl pattern almost completely. Does anyone have suggestions for dealing with this? Help? Please?
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
Yes, sometimes I get this issue, it doesn't pull out my curl but I can easily over-grease or rather things that really help against frizz take a full 24 hours to absorb! Low-porosity and calming frizzies can be tricky.

Just try skipping the leave-in and go for gel directly or better yet a gelée like FSG. Or if you're going to use something like the SM C&Style Milk... use literally only a pea sized to smooth on, no more! But you may not need it at all! Also I'd suggest skipping the KCKT.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

Last edited by wavydaze; 08-02-2013 at 09:09 PM.
I was kind of wondering if overconditioning was the culprit... I've noticed that when I tend to use richer conditioners/styling products, my hair and my curl pattern seem to suffer a bit.

I have done the gelatin PT before and I liked the results a lot. My main issue with that was actually just finding a schedule to do PT's; unfortunately I'm not very consistent with them and I can kind of tell. I blame school.

The GVP K-Pac has an identical ingredients list to the Joico as it's a dupe for it. The thing with the Organix shampoo and w/s 'cone buildup is I just used that shampoo for the first time in months the other day, so the w/s 'cones have not been a staple in my hair routine.

So, do you think I should do another sulfate wash before trying to clear out polyquats & mineral oil from my products? I'm loathe to do it because I just did it... last week I think? And also, do you think that strictly cowashing could be causing over-moisturizing issues?

Edit; I'm thinking it definitely is a buildup issue. My previous stylers (KCCC and Garnier Pure Clean Gel) were both polyquat free and I had far less issues with frizz. Any other recs for polyquat-free stylers?
2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion

Last edited by dinoRAWRSyou; 08-02-2013 at 09:38 PM.
A lot
Of people (wavies) are liking the Blueberry YTC.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
A lot
Of people (wavies) are liking the Blueberry YTC.
Originally Posted by chupie
Which one are you talking about? Most of the YTB things I've seen are skin care :/
2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion
I was kind of wondering if overconditioning was the culprit... I've noticed that when I tend to use richer conditioners/styling products, my hair and my curl pattern seem to suffer a bit.

I have done the gelatin PT before and I liked the results a lot. My main issue with that was actually just finding a schedule to do PT's; unfortunately I'm not very consistent with them and I can kind of tell. I blame school.
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
I hear you on not having time for PTs. Something that will help would be getting protein-rich conditioners as an RO and even leave-in. If you check the "protein-craving" section, there's a good thread on protein-rich conditioners. Try NG Biotin, Millcreek Keratin (strong) or Biotin, EO Keratin, Giovanni SaS, none of these have polyquats. People really like CJ Repair Me, I think I could use it as an RO.

The GVP K-Pac has an identical ingredients list to the Joico as it's a dupe for it. The thing with the Organix shampoo and w/s 'cone buildup is I just used that shampoo for the first time in months the other day, so the w/s 'cones have not been a staple in my hair routine.

So, do you think I should do another sulfate wash before trying to clear out polyquats & mineral oil from my products? I'm loathe to do it because I just did it... last week I think? And also, do you think that strictly cowashing could be causing over-moisturizing issues?
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
Yes I think you should sulfate wash to reset everything while moving forward. You can use the GVP CB + coconut oil + honey to DT afterward to put back moisture... or just leave the GVP CB longer in your hair in the shower.

Yes I think cowashing could be contributing to overmoisturizing issues... you can either cowash but cut back on the moisturizing RO and/or leave-in, or switch to regular low-pooing and keep the moisturizing (and protein-ing) RO and leave-in. The thing is if you cut back on RO and LI, but keep cowashing, you won't really be getting your regular protein fix, so yeah I guess I'd recommend low-pooing more regularly.

Edit; I'm thinking it definitely is a buildup issue. My previous stylers (KCCC and Garnier Pure Clean Gel) were both polyquat free and I had far less issues with frizz. Any other recs for polyquat-free stylers?
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
Everything in my siggy is polyquat-free. Look at kathymack's siggy and ask her for recs too! She has your properties. I'd highly recommend you try homemade flaxseed gel if you haven't already.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
A lot
Of people (wavies) are liking the Blueberry YTC.
Originally Posted by chupie
Which one are you talking about? Most of the YTB things I've seen are skin care :/
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
the YesTo line has haircare, in Target it's found by the makeup aisle. YesToCucumbers is a well-liked low-poo. (YesTo Blueberries & Carrots poos have sulfates.)
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I was talking about Yes to Blueberries conditioner.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I totally agree with wavydaze on the buildup issue. My properties are close and I started out as a winter wavy/summer 3a. My hair never met a protein it didn't like and I have yet to use too much protein.

I would do a sulfate wash to start over. It sometimes takes a few washes for me to remove the polyquats. My hair also hates mineral oil. For me, the SM Coconut & Hibiscus line was just too heavy (and I use really rich products, if you understand the difference.) They just sat on my hair. I had to wash them out. I use natural soap bars. They were really popular about 5 years ago, but are frowned upon now because of high pH. I haven't been impressed with any of the products I've used from the other lines, either.

I'm guessing that I had problems with the gelatin PT. I've been putting gelatin in my okra gel, so it's not the gelatin in, and of, itself. I think it's the concentration. The PT is an envelope to 1/4-1/3 c of water. When I put it in okra gel it's an envelope to 4 c of water.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
@wavydaze; Thank you so much! I think then I'll probably do a sulfate wash today, then switch to my SheaM low-poo instead of cowashing. I'm thinking for a protein-rich RO I might try the AO GPB condish... I've heard nothing but good things.

I'd love to try FSG but I don't know if I've got the time to make it. I just got a new gel from Sally's but since I've never tried it before, I think that I will return it and go back to my GFPCG and KCCC to see if it really is a buildup issue.

So my plan of attack is: Sulfate cleanse, DT with GVPCB, possibly try my SN Coco as a L/I (if I need it). Switch my RO to Aubrey GPB and ditch the prepacked PT for gelatin once a week plus go back to polyquat-free stylers. If my hair is still frizzy while wet I'll try a couple more sulfate washes.

I have a RO from Sally's (Salon Care Honey & Almond), but I don't know if it could be cause issues so I don't know if I want to use it. It has:
Water, cetyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, honey, sweet almond oil, hydrolyzed keratin, propylene glycol, dicetyldimonium chloride, fragrance, citric acid, DMDM hydantoin, yellow 5, blue 1, red 4, and red 33. Safe to use? I liked that it had protein and I didn't know if I could use it as a L/I.

Only other question I think I have is, could parabens possibly be causing an issue? I had a gel that I used and it gave me frizz, but I'm not sure if it was the w/s 'cones or the parabens that gave me an issue.
2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion

Last edited by dinoRAWRSyou; 08-03-2013 at 10:36 AM.

Only other question I think I have is, could parabens possibly be causing an issue? I had a gel that I used and it gave me frizz, but I'm not sure if it was the w/s 'cones or the parabens that gave me an issue.
Originally Posted by dinoRAWRSyou
Parabens are more of a health issue than a hair issue.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Okay, post-shower update. I did a sulfate wash with YTC and followed up with GVPCB. Went back to KCCC topped with the Garnier gel and pixie diffused. Waves seemed happier and the frizz looks a bit more like what I'm used to seeing when I over-condition (more "fluffy" than anything else).
2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion
I don't think YTCuckes has sulfates....
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Yes to Cucumbers:

Water (Aqua), Disodium Cocoamphodiacetate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Cucumis Sativus (Cucumber) Fruit Extract*, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Extract, Rosa Canina Fruit Extract, Salix Alba (Willow) Bark Extract, Salvia Officinalis (Sage) Leaf Extract, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Carthamus Tinctorius (Safflower) Seed Oil, Glycine Soja (Soybean) Oil,Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Sea Water, Chlorella Vulgaris Extract, Spirulina Maxima Extract, Hydrolyzed Algin, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Xanthan Gum, Glycerin, Fragrance (Parfum), Sodium Benzoate, Citric Acid, Potassium Sorbate, Phenoxyethanol

Yes to Carrots:

Water (Aqua), Lauryl Glucoside, Decyl Glucoside, Sodium Coco-Sulfate, Glyceryl Stearate SE, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Juice*, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Seed Oil*, Maris Aqua, Maris Limus Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Oil*, Olea Europaea (Olive) Fruit Oil, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil*, Calendula Officinalis Seed Oil, Cucurbita Pepo (Pumpkin) Fruit Extract, Ipomoea Batatas Root Lees Extract, Cucumis Melo (Melon) Fruit Extract, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Fruit Extract, Honey Extract, Punica Granatum Extract, Xanthan Gum, Citric Acid, Fragrance (Parfum), Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate

Depends on which YT"C" product you use. Looked up Sodium Coco-Sulfate and found (aka Sodium lauryl sulfate.)
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3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
The one I used was Yes To Carrots. also, I started using my Salon Care as a RO rather than GVPCB; it has protein and is lighter, plus I added a little NPF. I also low-pooed with SM rather than cowashed and my hair looked sooooo much better! Shiny, softer, more defined waves. Thank you ladies for pointing out my build-up & over conditioning issues... hair is much happier now
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2B with 2A underlayer, very frizz-prone, low porosity, high density, fine/med thickness, high elasticity
I cut my hair -- from almost waist length up to armpit length!

Officially no longer CG --- my hair plays much nicer with sulfates as 'cones!
Shampoo: GTTTT, Aussie Aussomely Clean, L'Oreal EverSleek, YTCarrots
Clarify: Neutrogena Anti-Residue
R/O: CureCare, Suave Everlasting Sunshine, GVPCB
DT: L'Oreal Total Repair 5 Damage Erasing Balm
Current Stylers: Volumax, Ion

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