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Old 08-19-2013, 12:49 PM   #1
 
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Lightbulb New to curls, and generally new to being a girl - help!!

I'm terrible at keeping things brief, but I'll try.

Hi there! You can call me Aimi.

I grew up as a tomboy, and only now, as I've matured (I just turned 30!) have I started to actually care about my appearance. I've been a T-shirt-and-jeans-and-a-ponytail kind of girl my whole life, and I've generally ignored the wave to my hair (although I do get comments that I should 'do something with it' all of the time).

Well, I've finally decided to do something with it!!!! The problem is, I have zero clue about hair care - my entire life I've just been a shampoo-and-condition, no-products kind of girl. I do color my hair with highlights, which is literally the only thing I've ever done to it besides cut it to some different lengths. I had it in a bob for about 10 years so I didn't have to deal with the wave (even though, honestly, you could still see the top of the wave where it bumps up in the back).

However, I've decided to change that. I really want to embrace my waves and do something with them besides shove them in a ponytail or brush/dry them straight into a frizzy mess!!! I came across the curly girl website in a desperate search for what exactly all these hair products do, and I've very diligently been reading, writing, and tentatively gone out and bought some product. The problem is, I have no idea if I'm about to start on the right track or am doomed to failure. (seriously you guys, I've never even combed my hair in the shower or applied gel EVER. Total hair-care newbie here)

After going through the website, I think these are my proper hair properties:

-- I'm type 2A, wavy-swavy; my waves don't quite coil and they're not quite S-shaped, but they're very noticeable.
-- Porosity: Low? (it floats in the water)
-- Density: I think it's pretty high; I can't see my scalp except at my part
-- Width: Fine to Medium? Definitely not thick
-- Length: Currently at shoulder length. The wave really starts right around my ears at the moment

I've been coloring my hair with full-foil highlights for years (blonde). It tends to suck up color like crazy, usually my stylists comment both about how quickly my hair dries and how it "loves to suck up color" (I have no idea if that information is useful!)

I usually wash my hair in the evenings as I have a blood pressure issue that makes morning showering a no-go. I tend to wash every other day; I can go three if needed, although my hair starts to feel pretty dirty after that. I've never gone no-sulfate, no-cone or anything like that, although I bought some products, so who knows if that will change.

I think I understand the general idea of the CG method. I'm intending to do my LAST SHAMPOO WASH tonight to get out any silicones that might be in my hair, and then start from there. After that, I'm not certain. I was intending to go no-shampoo and co-washing?

I bought Garnier Fructis PureClean conditioner, which I intend to use for both co-washing and then the conditioner rinse. Is that right?

I also bought Curls Unleashed organic mousse, which has no silicones in it that I can see (or rather, water-solubles silicones). I've also bought Garnier Fructis PureClean hair Gel, because I am not sure if I should mousse or gel, and I have no idea what "scrunching" is except I have a general idea I should be squeezing my hair like a potato chip bag or something.

I will use a T-shirt to be drying/scrunching my hair and I intend to air-dry, although if I could braid it or something before bed that would be nice (can I do that????)

So. Complete newbie. Any advice/comments would be amazingly appreciated, even if to tell me that my starting plan/products totally suck. Also - what the heck is second-day hair, and what do I need to do in the mornings to help with it?

Thank you all!!!!
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:16 PM   #2
 
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Welcome! You made me smile, I wore a ponytail 24/7 for years, dyed my hair and listened to people telling me I should do something with my hair. My bet would be you are wavier than you think right now.

Beneficial ingredients for porous/ bleach damaged hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. The first two and last are easiest to start with.

Coconut oil can be used as a treatment on dry hair, the published studies leave it on for 12 to 24 hours before washing off. This can penetrate reduces porosity, increases elasticity, helps the hair retain structural proteins (protect from further damage). You can protect your hair from persulphate bleach damage by colouring right over a coating if your stylist agrees, or at least doing lengthy treatments in the run up.

Hydrolysed protein you can use either as a treatment or as an ingredient in your leave in conditioner, different people have different preferences. This protein can penetrate increasing strength, patch repairing the damaged cuticle, can be wave/ curl booasting, give softness and shine, again proven to protect from persulphate bleach damage if you bleach over it as well as replenishing the hair afterwards.

Some product options include plain coconut oil from the grocery store, Colorful neutral protein filler, Komaza Care Matani repair treatment spray, Komaza Care protein strengthener. Panthenol AKA provitamin B5 is in plenty of conditioners.

Overnight routine: loosely 'pineapple' your hair and sleep on a silk or satin pillowcase. You can braid if you wish but that tends to pull out the waves.

If you have no idea where to begin with techniques - head over to YouTube and give yourself square eyes. There are various curlies that have filmed and uploaded their full routine. Check out Waterlily716 and Curlywavydiane and Hairevangelist especially. Also Devachan salon and Jessicurl have tutorials up. There are not so many active wavy channels but you might bookmark Pedaheh and Chupie who is a member here new to YouTube. I believe the current edition of the Curly Girl Handbook comes with a DVD.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG, growing out mechanical and chemical damage = breakage and very high porosity. Past armpit length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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Old 08-19-2013, 02:18 PM   #3
 
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Thank you so very much for the feedback!!!

I will keep an eye out for the coconut oil. I think my first step is going to just be trying to get a general routine down and see how my hair responds to it (I am expecting a few weeks of 'eek' -- but that's ok!). I tend to get my hair colored every three months or so and just had it done before my wedding, so I should have time to incorporate it before I get it colored again.

Mental note: Buy silk/satin pillowcase.

I'll have some youtube time tonight!

Thanks again
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Old 08-19-2013, 07:58 PM   #4
 
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Did my final shampooing tonight with lots of conditioner, rinse out, detangle etc. and used the mousse rather than the gel afterwards, scrunching, etc.

The videos were a big help

I can definitely see a more bold wave as it's drying, although there are a few pieces that didn't clump as well as others, particularly in the back. I have some ideas on changes to correct that, though - mostly in the technique, probably, of how I apply product (I think tipping my hair upside-down will help, rather than doing it over my shoulder like I did today).

I found that my hair seemed to SUCK UP the conditioner I had, and I definitely need to find a more substantial leave-in. I'll hunt in the drugstore again, although I live in a tiny town in the middle of nowhere, so the variety of product can be scarce. Wondering if there's a good "starter" leav-in out there. I went through a bunch of the Garnier Fructis PureClear today and still had trouble with my hair having the proper soft/slippery feeling, both in the shower and out of it. The hair feels okay as it's drying and there's generally less frizz so far, but we will see how it looks in the morning, since I'm a night shower-er. I am trying just to lightly touch it and not run my fingers through it - honestly, the no-touching no-brushing thing has been the hardest so far, haha!

I should probably blog this instead of replying to my own thread, but I remember things better when I write/type them and wanted to do it quickly!
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Old 08-19-2013, 08:05 PM   #5
 
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Thing to note about porosity - highlighted hair that soaks up color & conditioner is highly porous hair. You would do well with protein, especially with it being fine. The float test is unreliable. Color damaged hair that acts the ways yours does is definitely porous :-)

IAGirls gelatin protein recipe is floating around here (sorry Im on the app & don't have the link) & it's cheap & easy to make & customizable. You should be able to find it in a search & I bet it would make a big difference in your hair.

The no touching thing is the hardest thing for me too!
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fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

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Old 08-20-2013, 06:41 AM   #6
 
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Thanks!!! Things to learn I will try to find the recipe later. Does one usually apply protein regularly (i.e., after every shower) or is it more a one time a week thing... or is it variable and I just need to try it?
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:38 AM   #7
 
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It's variable depending on your hair needs. You could probably handle an RO with protein in it, but I wouldn't do a PT every day. You'll know if you overdo it, your hair will become dry & straw like. As with most things curly, PTs are trial-and-error. We can give you guidelines and general rules/suggestions based on your hair properties, which gives you a great starting point & is good advice, but some things you just have to try!

I am a perfectionist and always want to know answers & how things will turn out, and being curly is really unpredictable. That has been hard for me to accept as well! Every day is a bit different for me.
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fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

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Old 08-21-2013, 07:49 AM   #8
 
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Okay, so I looked up the gelatin protein recipe, which seems fairly easy. My husband is probably going to become very amused very quickly that I suddenly care so much about my hair I can hear him now -- "You're... you're putting Jell-O on your hair?"

My "Day 2.5" hair is holding up better than I expected, although my scalp is itchy today and my hair looks and feels a little "dirty" to me. I have slept on it twice, so there is that, and I don't have the silk pillowcase yet, although I did pineapple. The waves didn't hold up as well on the underside/back of my head, although I also think I did the worst job there, so that makes sense.

I tried messing about with it a little bit and putting the sides up, but I think that looks worse than just leaving my hair down again today, as my top layer has the best waves. I refuse to ponytail it.

A couple of questions about the gelatin protein treatment:

~~I'm assuming one just wants regular, non-flavored gelatin, yes? I am completely uncertain if they carry Knox brand at my grocery store but I'll follow IAGirl's rules there.
~~What's the point of the add-ins, such as honey, coconut milk, etc.?
~~It doesn't say on the blog when the protein treatment should be added. Is it before leave-in, after-leave in, before product, etc? Or is that a very personal thing? My guess would be do this sort of at the end of the shower, before one last rinse-out???? That's sort of the feeling I got but it wasn't super-clear (I'm a scientist, I always want things to be extra-super-clear, haha!)

I bought a leave-in online (since I couldn't find any good ones in my tiny local grocery store) - Kinky Curly Knot Today. Excited to try it Hopefully it arrives today. Weirdly, it was cheaper to 2-day air ship it than group ship it.

My plan for tonight is to co-wash again and see how my scalp feels. Reading around here it seems like a lot of wavies can't co-wash exclusively, so if I need to start using a sulfate-free shampoo now and again, I will. I'm guessing that going on how I "feel" is probably better than any other guideline.

Then again, however, I am expecting my hair to look sort of weird and gross for a few weeks as it gets used to the new routine, so maybe I should wait on shampoo if I feel like I need it? Or just go for it?
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Old 08-22-2013, 09:43 AM   #9
 
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Kinky Curly Knot Today is more of a datangler rather than a true conditioner, it doesn't contain any oils, few cationic surfactants or fatty alcohols (emollients/ key conditioning ingredients), it's also pH 7 so not ideal for porous or damaged hair. You can often use your wash out conditioner as a leave in conditioner.

With co-washing some people get a less oily scalp the first week, some it take a few weeks to calm down after quitting harsh shampoos. Technique is highly relevant - ensure you are building up a light 'lather' and massaging whilst rinsing so that your hair is left literally 'squeaky' clean. IMO persevere unless it becomes too awful. If you do go back to shampoo go for a product that is pH 4.5 to 5.5 and does not contain any anionic surfactants, not too many 'depositing' ingredients that can weigh hair down.

Protein treatment: wash your hair, no conditioner, dry to damp by plopping or turbanning, then apply your protein treatment. Leave for as long as you decide OR to air dry OR use heat, then wash off and use conditioner and styling product as normal. If you hair feels dry at the wash off stage you may need to do a deep condition at that point. IMO limit add ins to begin with, you want to know what protein does for your hair, not loads of add ins and confuse yourself about what helps and what hinders.
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG, growing out mechanical and chemical damage = breakage and very high porosity. Past armpit length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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