Have any wavies tried the Scott Musgrave way of styling wavy hair?

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Hah. I have been just letting it grow for a year and a half. I asked my colorist to help my wave back in march (before I'd researched cutting for waives). I was not nuts at all about the cut (but she can sure color fantastically) so now I've just been letting it grow again. For my birthday I may try out a curly/wavy stylist about an hour away (November). So basically in really have no "haircut" right now. A few layers (a little shelfy but I am at least liking them better now that they are getting past my ears.)
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I'm a 2 (my pattern varies-- mostly a and b but occasionally some c) and I LOVE my deva cut. Highly, highly recommend it.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


OK, here is how I interpreted Scott Musgrave's MAP technique

Scott Musgrave MAP Technique - YouTube
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Great video! I do a variation of this.

- I apply LI and filler (FSG) in the shower so my hair is dripping wet
- I use much more product - 2-3 times what you use. That's partly due to my longer and denser hair and partly due to use of more water (see below) .
- I squeeze only along my length, and only in two sections like pigtails. If I scrunched like you do I would have frizzy stringlets!
- I apply LI all the way to the root. FSG I do concentrate on the lengths, but I do put some on the root.
- After those two, I run some more water over my hair for better distribution and reclumping after the raking. Then i squeeze out the excess water /product along the length in one section like a ponytail. I find this really smoothes and clumps my hair and distributes the product well.

Then i get out of the shower and scrunch BRHG in upside down towards the roots and use my t shirt the same way. I apply BRHG in multiple pea sized (smaller than yours) amounts to different areas of my hair. I also smooth a bit down the canopy while upside down. I love the stuff, but I have to use it carefully to avoid using too much or too little.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
Thats awesome! I'm on day 3 and still have some wave and volume, this ones a keeper! After your final rinse how do you guys get the hair on top of your head thas plastered down loosened up away from the scalp with out disturbing the rest of your hair? I'v tried to use my fingers but i cant get them under the hair. If i use a pick to loosen it I end up having to comb all of my hair to make the top smooth into the bottom. How often do you guys wash your hair?
Originally Posted by saralacy
I do everything upside down, am bent over when I take my plop off or scrunch out the excess water, so gravity helps the hair come away from the scalp. Also what hair looks like wet or damp doesn't necessarily dictate what it looks like fully dry, I've had some complete messes turn out decent.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Day two spritzed down length and scrunched CJPP over it. Flash diffused. Have any wavies tried the Scott Musgrave way of styling wavy hair?-imageuploadedbycurltalk1378054682.528592.jpg
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You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Great video! I do a variation of this.

- I apply LI and filler (FSG) in the shower so my hair is dripping wet
- I use much more product - 2-3 times what you use. That's partly due to my longer and denser hair and partly due to use of more water (see below) .
- I squeeze only along my length, and only in two sections like pigtails. If I scrunched like you do I would have frizzy stringlets!
- I apply LI all the way to the root. FSG I do concentrate on the lengths, but I do put some on the root.
- After those two, I run some more water over my hair for better distribution and reclumping after the raking. Then i squeeze out the excess water /product along the length in one section like a ponytail. I find this really smoothes and clumps my hair and distributes the product well.

Then i get out of the shower and scrunch BRHG in upside down towards the roots and use my t shirt the same way. I apply BRHG in multiple pea sized (smaller than yours) amounts to different areas of my hair. I also smooth a bit down the canopy while upside down. I love the stuff, but I have to use it carefully to avoid using too much or too little.
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
I need to try this. Do you find the larger clumps + more water increase dry time?
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Day two spritzed down length and scrunched CJPP over it. Flash diffused. Attachment 38332
Originally Posted by chupie
That's your second day hair?! It looks great
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2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Yup. Day 2 seems to come out particularly nice with this method. I'm not the only one who has noticed it.
Thats awesome! I'm on day 3 and still have some wave and volume, this ones a keeper! After your final rinse how do you guys get the hair on top of your head thas plastered down loosened up away from the scalp with out disturbing the rest of your hair? I'v tried to use my fingers but i cant get them under the hair. If i use a pick to loosen it I end up having to comb all of my hair to make the top smooth into the bottom. How often do you guys wash your hair?
Originally Posted by saralacy
I comb my hair away from my face in the shower. I clip up the root area after the diffusing for several minutes. I use jaw clamps. I also have some CHS roller clamps that I really like.

I wash anywhere from every 2 to 4 days. Just depends.
Great video! I do a variation of this.

- I apply LI and filler (FSG) in the shower so my hair is dripping wet
- I use much more product - 2-3 times what you use. That's partly due to my longer and denser hair and partly due to use of more water (see below) .
- I squeeze only along my length, and only in two sections like pigtails. If I scrunched like you do I would have frizzy stringlets!
- I apply LI all the way to the root. FSG I do concentrate on the lengths, but I do put some on the root.
- After those two, I run some more water over my hair for better distribution and reclumping after the raking. Then i squeeze out the excess water /product along the length in one section like a ponytail. I find this really smoothes and clumps my hair and distributes the product well.

Then i get out of the shower and scrunch BRHG in upside down towards the roots and use my t shirt the same way. I apply BRHG in multiple pea sized (smaller than yours) amounts to different areas of my hair. I also smooth a bit down the canopy while upside down. I love the stuff, but I have to use it carefully to avoid using too much or too little.
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
I need to try this. Do you find the larger clumps + more water increase dry time?
Originally Posted by kaykre
No, not at all.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
Ironically, I met Scott Musgrave Saturday when I was looking for Jessicurl products near me as I was running out and didn't have time to wait for the week long shipping. My hair was last trimmed/cut (DevaCut) when I was in FL in mid June, which is when I gave up wearing it straight, but I live in southern VA about an hour and a half from Cary, NC, so I made an appointment to get my hair trimmed in October with him as that was the first appointment he had available on a Saturday.

Despite making the appointment, I hadn't had a chance to go to his blog, and this morning I was so frustrated with my hair (very close to giving up wearing it wavy), that I finally joined curltalk to try and get some help. After I posted my introduction, I opened up the 2 forum to post a thread pleading for help, but this one jumped out at me for obvious reasons. Before I give up, I'm going to try this method tomorrow. Hopefully I won't be late for work trying it.

Thank you chupie for the video and a bigger thank you to kaykre for posting this thread.
Oh don't give up! I looked a hot mess for 2 to 3 months as I experimented and figured out more about my hair. 5 months in, I'm getting, if not consistent, at least always livable looks. One thing I have learned that is paramount - go into every day without expectations. Work with what your hair is doing, not what you want to look like. Because mostly we usually have some pretty impossible expectations.

(Totally jealous you have an appointment with Scott!! I'm considering saving money for a plane trip just to get a cut. LOL!)
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Thanks chupie for your video. I used it yesterday and today I have pretty decent second day hair. I didn't apply products to soaking wet hair (doesn't work for me), and I did a bit of root manipulation (since I forgot not to do that, lol) by mistake. I didn't use a LI; I used KCCC as my first layer, followed by EcoStyler and a hard hold gel. Hadn't used EcoStyler in a while, and am pretty sure that is what gave me major crunch to SOTC on day one. Second day hair is fluffier and more voluminous, but the BF likes it, so it's all good!
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I think I'm a convert! I never raked in products because it broke up what little wave I had. But I think squeezing my hair after raking in product is the key. And maybe using leave-in.

I think I'm doing a modified version but have gotten good results. I rake in leave in, squeeze hair, rake in my curl enhancer, squeeze again and then flip upside down and scrunch and plop. Then I scrunch in gel and plop again. I've always double plopped to get as much water out as possible!
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

That sounds like the way curlygrey3 does it. It sure works for her!!
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You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Ironically, I met Scott Musgrave Saturday when I was looking for Jessicurl products near me as I was running out and didn't have time to wait for the week long shipping. My hair was last trimmed/cut (DevaCut) when I was in FL in mid June, which is when I gave up wearing it straight, but I live in southern VA about an hour and a half from Cary, NC, so I made an appointment to get my hair trimmed in October with him as that was the first appointment he had available on a Saturday.

Despite making the appointment, I hadn't had a chance to go to his blog, and this morning I was so frustrated with my hair (very close to giving up wearing it wavy), that I finally joined curltalk to try and get some help. After I posted my introduction, I opened up the 2 forum to post a thread pleading for help, but this one jumped out at me for obvious reasons. Before I give up, I'm going to try this method tomorrow. Hopefully I won't be late for work trying it.

Thank you chupie for the video and a bigger thank you to kaykre for posting this thread.
Originally Posted by saradihna
Welcome!

Do also check out Scott Musgrave's Facebook page, he posts a lot of before and after photographs, and is also active on the Facebook Wavy Hair Community and the Curly Girl Handbook page.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Okay not to jinx it or anything but judging by how my quite wet hair looks right now, this person seriously knows what they're talking about. No frizz, no weird bumps, no U turns, just defined lovely waves. I'll update again when it dries but I've never been more hopeful about my waves before. Might have something to do with me always avoiding the roots when applying gel though.

UPDATE: This is officially my best hair attempt ever! I used my plain FSG with a local brand's cheapo gel and the waves turned out shiny, defined, voluminous and touchable. I'm so loving it!
Priestess Brigit of the Moonlight Oracle in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Type: Mix of 1c/2c/3a , fine-ish medium, ii/iii, normal porosity
Lenght: U-Shaped BSL
Goal: Wavy and clumpy waist length hair

Last edited by Domino; 09-12-2013 at 05:10 PM.
I've been doing this since I watched a girl on youtube. I didn't know it was a 'thing' by someone. My hair has been intensely more curly. My boyfriend even told me the other day, "You seem to obsess over things, but you get results." lol
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