Any Potential? Need some Opinions

Hi Wavies!
I just got re-interested in the Curly Girl idea, and decided to join NaturallyCurly so I could access all the knowledge available here. I have a ton of questions, and feel slightly overwhelmed by the number of variables to think about, so I'm hoping you all can help simplify for me.

Here are my issues:
As long as I can remember my hair has had what we termed, fly-aways. Basically, the shorter strands around my temples stick out every which-way and "fly away." If it's very misty and hot outside, they really go nuts and start to look like horns. On one occasion, they actually fell nicely around my temples in a Shirley Temple fashion. Additionally, if I take a shower and don't get my hair totally wet, these fly-aways (as well as the short strands at the nape of my neck) curl up into a 2b/2c fashion.

The difficulty is that those are the only parts of my hair that do that. The rest has more body than stick-straight, but not a whole lot of wave either. I did a drip-dry "test" last week and have included some photos of the results. All I did that day was wash with DesertEssence Coconut Shampoo and RO Condition with a Suave Professionals product. I squeeze a little water out with a microfiber towel, but left it alone otherwise.

I've worked out my hair to be: 2a, low porosity, fine to medium width, and medium density. Note, I live in a very hot, humid climate.

Do you think I have any wavy potential?
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Squeezed out water in which direction? Scrunched up to the roots or down along the length? A drip test should be naked hair, clarifying shampoo only then actually drip dried, towelling and conditioner can easily affect waves.

Most people get one or two more levels out of their hair from Curly Girl products and techniques, perhaps a curly specialist cut. My hair is normally 2a to 2c with CG, but it looks like a limp 2a today due to the conditioner I have used the last two washes.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Sure you can.

Here's me basically nekkid

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Here's styled

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You'll get some boost from styling. If you get good long layers you might get more.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Normally, I do both. I squeeze down along the length when I'm actually in the shower, and then I scrunch after putting product in. Scrunching usually gives me better waves, but they always fall flat once my hair dries; I wind up with stringy, unattractive hair.
In this photo, I did minimal squeezing along the length.
So you ever diffuse? I have to diffuse and use a good firm hard hold gel. In some ways it's more about definition of the wave you have than anything.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I have diffused a few times. The attached photo shows diffused hair (used Dessert Essence shampoo, Suave Professionals conditioner, LA Looks Wet Look Gel). It's not bad looking, but doesn't last very well. This photo was taken before church on Sunday and by the time I got home about 4 hours later, it had already started to flatten.
I'd rather not diffuse everyday if I can help it, but air drying seems tricky too. I read something about the extra weight of wet hair being enough to pull the wave out. I think this is one of my problems. I've tried plopping, but need some tips as to how to keep the roots from getting totally flattened. Thanks for all the help!
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You have very pretty hair & I think you certainly have potential for more wave. Find others on these boards with similar properties and check out their signatures to see what products they prefer. But it isn't just products and technique that will bring out more wave for you. The length of your hair is very likely pulling your waves down. A curly cut like Deva or at least long layers might make a big difference. This is a helpful link: What Should I Tell My Stylist?
Medium Texture/Normal Porosity
Conditioners: Curl Junkie conditioners, Elucence moisture balancing, Darcy's pumpkin seed, Mop Top Daily
Gels: CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ Curl Queen, UFDCM, Mop Top Curly Custard, KCCC (wish it didn't take so long to dry!), CJ Aloe Fix Lite
Weekly PT (CJ Repair Me) & DT
Icequeen method
CG since Aug. 08, still a lot to learn


Last edited by Curlini; 09-04-2013 at 09:07 AM.
You can clip for root volume. I diffuse my ends with a bowl diffuser and often use the Devafuser hand for my roots. Hold is about 1) using a top gel with hard hold like BRHG and 2) not touching until dry. I agree probably long layers would help. And you just have to keep experimenting with techniques and products. If you can find a hair twin it'll help.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I agree that the weight of your hair is probably one of the issues. How attached are you to your long hair? I think if you cut it so it was about even with your shoulder blades, and had them throw some layers in, it would help a ton. Also, how long have you been sulfate free? For me, it was several months before my hair was moisturized enough to really perk up and look good. It's been very hot and humid in my area lately (100 degrees, 75%= humidity). I've been having the best results using yes to cucumbers low poo and conditioner, regis olive oil leave in conditioner (I feel like it seals the humidity out of my hair), organix moroccan oil curl cream, and devacare frizz free volumizing foam (it's like a mousse). I don't use a towel. I just squeeze my hair with my hands to get as much excess water out as possible, then apply products, then scrunch once or twice. Sometimes I'll defuse for maybe 10 minutes to "set" the products, other times I'll strictly air dry. I'll also clip my roots while drying so that my hair isn't so flat.

You know, the more I think about it, I wonder if all the oils are what is helping me with frizz right now. There's a lot of oil in the yes to cucumbers and the leave in and the curl cream. Something to think about.
Hair Properties: 2A/2B, Medium-fine, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, Medium density
Low Poo: DevaCare, Yes to Cuc's
Rinse Out: DevaCare One Condition, Yes to Cuc's
Cowash: Suave Naturals Lavender, Yes to Carrots Scalp Conditioner
Curl Cream: AG ReCoil, Organix Moroccan Oil Curl Cream
Gel/Mousse: Sweet Curls Elixirs FSG w/ Mag Sulfate added, Sweet Curls Elixirs hard hold gel, DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam, Aquage Uplifting Foam
Protein: Spiral Solutions Protein Spray for daily use
Thank you so much, everyone, for your input! This may be a topic for another thread, but what about a protein treatment? What little I've read seems to indicate that a PT can help encourage the wave pattern. Just a thought.

Curlini- thank you for the compliment! I'll try to hunt around and find what's popular.

Chupie- I may have to try some of that BRHG. I also watched your YouTube video on MAP, and am going to try it tonight!

Jakrussel3- I am pretty attached to the length. I've actually been growing it out for about a year, and trying to get it all one length! I'd be willing to get some long layers cut in, but I'm not thrilled with the idea of chopping it. I'll have to decide which I'd rather have: the length OR the wave. I may try some different products as well as the layering, and leave the chopping as a last resort.
I've been sulfate free for about a year. I too live in a hot, humid environment (today was 97 degrees and 50% humidity). What effects (other than frizz) does this have on the wave? My temple hair tends to kink up with the humidity. Is that normal? Thanks for listing out your products! What does your routine look like?

Thanks again everyone!
I didn't see you mention your hair properties. Fine hair and high porosity hair (or damaged hair) tend to like protein a lot and can get a big boost from it. My medium-low porosity hair doesn't really respond to protein. You can always try a protein treatment on a small portion of your hair to see if your hair likes it. If you search for IAgirl's protein treatment you should be able to find an inexpensive homemade recipe with gelatin.

I'm growing my hair out and it's nowhere near as wavy as it used to be, so it could very well be length. I've kind of accepted it as a consequence of having long hair. Meh.
Wave Pattern: 2A
Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
HairObessed:
Thanks for taking the time to respond! My hair is very similar to yours:
2A, Low Porosity, Medium Density, Fine to Medium width. I don't think my hair is that damaged as I've never colored it and rarely use heat.

I heard about the protein treatment using gelatin. If I do a treatment when my hair doesn't need it, what are the consequences? As you can tell, I'm very new to all this information! Thanks again!
There are 3 main results from doing a protein treatment:
1) Your hair loves it, and goes wavier/ curlier than it was before. Nice and springy hair
2) Your hair doesn't like it, and goes straighter, dry and really rough
3) Your hair doesn't really like it, and goes straighter but really soft and smooth - kind of mushy
Your hair is an amazing length by the way!! Im jealous
Your lengths/ ends are aged so are likely to have some damage simply from 'weathering'. With fine to medium hair I'd be surprised if your hair didn't like protein, just use a little and work up - you don't have to go in all guns blazing for full strength gelatin treatment.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
PyjamaLlama:
Thank You for simplifying that for me! What's the difference between soft and smooth healthy hair and soft and smooth mushy, over-proteined hair?

Firefox7275:
Thanks for chiming in! I've seen your other posts and you seem incredibly knowledgeable, so I was hoping you'd comment. Did you have any thoughts on my length (other than damage from age)? Also, when you talk about using a little protein, are you talking about making a weaker gelatin treatment, or using another product entirely?

Thank you! Thank you!
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Firefox7275:
Thanks for chiming in! I've seen your other posts and you seem incredibly knowledgeable, so I was hoping you'd comment. Did you have any thoughts on my length (other than damage from age)? Also, when you talk about using a little protein, are you talking about making a weaker gelatin treatment, or using another product entirely?

Thank you! Thank you!
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
No problem! Ha ha, my knowledge is patchy I am afraid, I know more about damaged or higher porous hair and wavy hair than I do about kinky coily hair or lower porosity.

Curly Girl method isn't that different from long haircare as seen on forums like Long Hair Community and Untamed Tresses. Really both are about maximising health and minimising damage, that takes you a long way to beautiful hair. We all cleanse gently, condition plenty, deep treat, detangle gently, think about how to avoid overnight knotting or frizz (often involving silk or satin).

You can absolutely use a weaker strength gelatin treatment for a modest amount of time, or try a regular conditioner that contains a little hydrolysed protein as a leave in. You can then go more hardcore if you feel you need it - better that than get protein build up.

Other ingredients potentially beneficial for patch repairing and smoothing older/ damaged ends include ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol; also coconut oil tho you may find the lower porosity lengths and roots hate that.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
PyjamaLlama:
Thank You for simplifying that for me! What's the difference between soft and smooth healthy hair and soft and smooth mushy, over-proteined hair?
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
It's hard to describe, but you would definitely be able to tell. Smooth healthy hair is shiny, bouncy and glossy and if you want to separate clumps it will do so quite easily, maybe with a bit of frizz. Over proteined hair is soft but not shiny, and if you separate a clump, there will be a 'web' of hair between them. Over proteined hair will be limp as well.
I really can't explain it sorry, but you will definitely know if it happens!!

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