I thought I knew my hair type...

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So.. I've always had some corkscrewy curls up in front and around the sides. I don't know why, but lately my sides have been laying a bit more flat... it's probably my haircut, which I am going to fix this weekend!

So I tried some new techniques I've learned off of here and some new products and got this last night. I have a lot of everything.. could somebody help me out with what hair type I am? I thought I was 2c/3a, but It seems to have turned out more on the 2 side?
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I think it's tough to tell with shorter hairstyles. A key difference between 2c and 3a is the amount of root curl, but 2cs would generally have root curl when there is no weight.

Have you tried clarifying or a protein treatment?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Yeah, darn short hair.. I should have never cut it, but it was so damaged. The description of 3a sounds like my hair, but it looks more in the 2 range. I guess I'll wait and see what it's like when I grow it out again. I know it's not all that important, but it'd be nice to know still. I've never had a lot of root curl, even when longer, but my curls can get pretty curly in front and not so much in the back, except underneath. I keep trying to grow it out, but it is SUUUUUPER thick and I just can't do it - I'm all hair. Hoping to find a working routine so I can grow it where I want it.

What is a good protein treatment to use? This is one of things I am confused on. I have not done any protein treatments. Also, when clarifying, what kind of shampoos am I looking for? My low poo has mild surfectants in it, does that suffice, or am I looking for something else? I already did my last sulfate cleanse a couple weeks ago. My hair has pretty pretty flat since trying the Ren cleansing conditioner that contains A-whatever-cone, but Coco Betaine is supposed to take that out, right? Or is that my problem? That stuff was awful on my hair when it dried, big limpy mess.
Yeah, darn short hair.. I should have never cut it, but it was so damaged. The description of 3a sounds like my hair, but it looks more in the 2 range. I guess I'll wait and see what it's like when I grow it out again. I know it's not all that important, but it'd be nice to know still. I've never had a lot of root curl, even when longer, but my curls can get pretty curly in front and not so much in the back, except underneath. I keep trying to grow it out, but it is SUUUUUPER thick and I just can't do it - I'm all hair. Hoping to find a working routine so I can grow it where I want it.

What is a good protein treatment to use? This is one of things I am confused on. I have not done any protein treatments. Also, when clarifying, what kind of shampoos am I looking for? My low poo has mild surfectants in it, does that suffice, or am I looking for something else? I already did my last sulfate cleanse a couple weeks ago. My hair has pretty pretty flat since trying the Ren cleansing conditioner that contains A-whatever-cone, but Coco Betaine is supposed to take that out, right? Or is that my problem? That stuff was awful on my hair when it dried, big limpy mess.
Originally Posted by poxyfairyplume
I think it looks pretty short, but sure it will grow back healthy with Curly Girl care if that is what you prefer. Have you considered a curly specialist haircut once it gets too long and thick to manage?

A clarifying shampoo should generally not be 'moisturising' or conditioning, just clear coloured and simple ingredients - cocoamidopropyl betaine or a sulphate. Depends on the low poo if that fits.

I find even a tiny amount of silicone makes my hair limp, some people can get away with water soluble silicones or amine ones (like amodimethicone). The Ren cleansers seem to be pretty heavy on oils and butters as well as the one silicone, it does sound like you need to clarify that out and start over.

IMO a good cleanser should be very gentle but very effective, we use our conditioners to condition. Ideally your hair should feel 'squeaky' clean when you have washed but never stripped. I co-wash with Inecto and find that very cleansing, but many wavies do prefer a super gentle shampoo.

Hydrolysed protein is generally good for fine to medium hair, damaged or porous hair, hair that is overconditioned. Not so great for coarse hair. You can do the gelatin treatment that is popular on NC, I rate Komaza Care protein strengthener but I think that does contain wheat. There is also the Colorful neutral protein filler from Sallys. My wave is really boosted by protein in my leave in conditioner.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Great information, thank you! This helps a lot. I think I will try the gelatin treatment, I prefer the simple ingredients to stuff I need to stay away from.

I think it looks pretty short, but sure it will grow back healthy with Curly Girl care if that is what you prefer. Have you considered a curly specialist haircut once it gets too long and thick to manage?
Thanks, it is pretty, but I've always wanted long hair. I'm going to a curl specialist on Saturday, as my hair is getting pretty thick right now and has a terrible shape in front. The lady who used to cut my hair would always dry it then flat iron it to cut it dry, and my insides were always screaming at her. She did not embrace my curlies AT ALL, and kind of insulted my hair care routine. No thanks!

I use Shea Moisture's Deep Treatment Masque occasionally - should I not be using that, as far as weighing my hair down with butter and oil? I'm still clueless what works and what doesn't with my hair. I've had a lot of failures.

I will start over and go from there
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OMG she flat ironed it before cutting!!! So glad you are seeing someone new.
OMG she flat ironed it before cutting!!! So glad you are seeing someone new.
Originally Posted by chupie
ME TOO!!!! I'm so over straight hair.
Thanks, it is pretty, but I've always wanted long hair. I'm going to a curl specialist on Saturday, as my hair is getting pretty thick right now and has a terrible shape in front. The lady who used to cut my hair would always dry it then flat iron it to cut it dry, and my insides were always screaming at her. She did not embrace my curlies AT ALL, and kind of insulted my hair care routine. No thanks!

I use Shea Moisture's Deep Treatment Masque occasionally - should I not be using that, as far as weighing my hair down with butter and oil? I'm still clueless what works and what doesn't with my hair. I've had a lot of failures.

I will start over and go from there
Originally Posted by poxyfairyplume
I never understand why some hairdressers seem to hate hair unless it looks a very specific narrow way, some are REALLY nasty about curls or ultra long hair. You'd think they'd appreciate the potential of all hair, the beauty when it is healthy, the challenge when it is not, the business potential of learning about alternative haircare methods. All they need to do is read forums like Curl Talk and the Long Hair Community!!

Shea butter doesn't penetrate and can build up, I would be wary of it if you co-wash. IMO since you have porous hair stick to pre-wash treatments with coconut oil so no residue is left on the surface.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I can't wait to get a hair cut from a curly specialist. I hope she can help😁.
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I think you're my hair twin! Hang on in there, it will get better and your hair may need a bit more length to curl more. Protein may well be a big help.
UK based, Curly from birth 2b-2c fairly porous with cherub tendencies and frizz halo! Faves include KCKT and Keracare LIs, Deva Curl, CCCCL, Ecosyler gel and Be Curly Curl Enhancer. I donít mind the odd cone - shhh CG since August 2012
I've been reading a few posts about putting coconut oil in before you wash. What exactly does that do? I have lots of questions, I know... I like to know how things work so I can understand why I'm doing what I'm doing

I clarified today, and my head feels SOO much better!! My hair hasn't been that clean in forever! Followed it with the gelatin protein treatment, and my hair liked it. How often should one do PTs? Since my only DT is loaded with shea butter, I need to find a new one.. sigh. All this searching for product is a lot of work, especially for a gluten free, paraben free girl.

I think you're my hair twin! Hang on in there, it will get better and your hair may need a bit more length to curl more. Protein may well be a big help.
YAY! I've been looking for a hair twin! If you have any recommendations, my eyes and hair are open
I've been reading a few posts about putting coconut oil in before you wash. What exactly does that do? I have lots of questions, I know... I like to know how things work so I can understand why I'm doing what I'm doing

I clarified today, and my head feels SOO much better!! My hair hasn't been that clean in forever! Followed it with the gelatin protein treatment, and my hair liked it. How often should one do PTs? Since my only DT is loaded with shea butter, I need to find a new one.. sigh. All this searching for product is a lot of work, especially for a gluten free, paraben free girl.
Originally Posted by poxyfairyplume
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Glad clarifying seems to have helped, that's a great start!

IMO do another hydrolysed protein treatment in a fortnight or whenever your hair feels limp or just not like it does now. It's really about experimenting and 'listening' to your hair. You have the option of using a protein rich leave in conditioner instead, or adding protein to your styler.

Maybe make you own deep treatment with a basic rich conditioner, a natural oil, honey and/ or aloe vera? Coconut oil is proven to penetrate dry hair, reducing porosity, increasing elasticity, reducing protein loss (damage) during washing.
Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?
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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Maybe make you own deep treatment with a basic rich conditioner, a natural oil, honey and/ or aloe vera? Coconut oil is proven to penetrate dry hair, reducing porosity, increasing elasticity, reducing protein loss (damage) during washing.
Mineral Oil Versus Coconut Oil: Which is better?
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
I like the idea of that deep treatment, I will have to try that. I love homemade recipes and I have tons of great oils. I used Sunflower oil in my gelatin treatment, and I rather liked it, my hair is very shiny today. I would never use mineral oil on anything, as it's a byproduct from gasoline - that just grosses me out.

I wanted to share a picture, since I got some of my curls back! I had to pull back my half-highlighted non-cooperative top layer, but lookie what I found underneath! Still not as big as they used to be, but it's a start! So thank you thank you thank you for all your help! I feel like I somewhat have a handle on this now. Also, my hair has sooo much more volume! Now I can embrace it, because it's the right kind of volume!
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