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I recently was directed to this site by one of my friends who has extremely curly hair while I was complaining about how long it takes to do my hair and how I wish I could just wash and go.

Well, I'm so glad I found it. I never know what to call my hair. I had straight hair growing up until I turned 13, then it was curly!! My mom had straight hair and had no idea what to do with curly hair, so I sort of figured it out as I went, trial and error.

Over the years I have colored my hair and straightened it a LOT. I am 25 years old, have been coloring and straightening on and off since I was 16. I was always told my hair looked so good when straight, and at least when straight, I could easily braid it or put it up. If i wore my hair natural, I noticed it would start out ok and just get frizzier and frizzier throughout the day.

Now I'm 25 and I am sick of having to do that all the time. I still color my hair, but I straighten it less often (although I still do ). I found this site and am hoping you can help me figure out how to deal with my naturally wavy/curly hair and make it beautiful the way it is naturally.

From looking around on the site, I think I have mainly 2C hair. The difficult thing for me is that the bottom layers are almost straight (the longest parts) whereas the top and back gets extremely frizzy and the curls are a bit tighter. I did the porosity test, and was surprised to find out that I think I have low porosity hair ... it floated and it feels smooth. My hair is also thin and gets oily by the second day.

So what do I do now? How do I figure out what is good for my hair? Over the summer I started using L'Oreal EverPure for color-treated hair and I generally like it. I did a couple deep conditioning treatments with SheaMoisture and I think I like it, my hair felt really smooth and soft after. I also tried some olive oil as a "pre-poo" and it felt really nice after but it was really messy.

What should I do next? I was thinking of going to a salon nearby that has good reviews and asking for help, but I am in graduate school and am tight on money! All my paychecks go to bills, so money is not free-flowing right now. We also have a Sally Beauty Supply in walking distance.

Any advice? I am finding it SO HARD to give up my hair straightener and blow-dryer!!! How do I get over that part of me that has been taught to believe I look better with straight hair?
Also to add ... I have been using Frizz-ease serum for a while just to contain frizz, and recently tried the Pantene Keratin Leave In Conditioner. I also own a curl cream and sometimes use totally twisted mousse by Herbal Essences if I let my hair be natural. I have no idea what I am actually supposed to be using though and sometimes think I am using way too much for no reason.
Well I take back my complaints about price. I just saw the VO5 moisture milk conditioner at the grocery store for 99 cents so I picked up two bottles!!! Any suggestions for gels/leave-ins? The ones I have look like they have some bad ingredients in them ...

I stopped at Sally Beauty Supply next-door and asked about silicone and sulfate free, and the woman working there had no idea what I was talking about!!! Geeze.
Sally's has Volumax gel. Also some decent protein conditioners like Ion Effective Care. A lot of people like the knock off of CureCare conditioner. (Help me with name someone). They have As I Am stuff that people like.
2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I like suave products (under $5)& cantu products (under $10). Budget products. I also like Softee gels. The one I use is the aloe Vera curl enhancing gel. They also have a protein gel. Both gels are under $5. You can get these products from Walgreens or Walmart.
Thanks for the help! I love budget products. Tomorrow I'll do my official start with my last shampoo and start co-washing ... we'll see how it goes. I'll take pics to watch my progress.


So this is day one going CG ... It looks curlier in real life but the bottom layer stays pretty straight and always has been like that ... Any suggestions?

I co-washed after my last sulfate shampoo with VO5 moisture milk ... did a Rinse out conditioner, then used shea moisture masque as a leave-in (tiny bit) because that's all I had handy. I used TIGI Creative Genius while soaking wet as a gel, then plopped for about a half hour before air dry. It's about 65% dry at this point.


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Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13

Last edited by SaMmIe10; 09-10-2013 at 09:11 AM.
So today my second day hair looked bad ... Granted I just went to bed without pineappling or anything. I work at a hospital so I just threw it up out of my face. When I have more time in the morning I will have to practice actually trying to fix it ...


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Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
You will throw it up in a bun a lot while figuring it all out.
2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Beneficial ingredients for damaged hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, 18-MEA and panthenol. Be careful not to weight your hair down/ get build up with proiducts containing ingredients like shea butter - your leave in conditioner should be rich in fatty alcohols and/ or cationic surfactants and you want to use a good amount.

Plopping for half an hour seems a while for someone with wavy hair unless its very thick/ low porosity. I find getting hair too dry makes it straighter and/ or frizzier, especially the underlayers which are in closer contact with the fabric and can be finer.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks for the great advice ... I will try to plop less time next time. This is my second cowash ... A little more definition and volume but my hair is thin so when it clumps together in the swirl area it looks like a bald spot even though its not!


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Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
I got this a lot when I first started. Like maybe a month or two where I thought it made my hair look thinner.
2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Thanks for your input. This is so overwhelming ... I spent an hour at walmart reading ingredients on the bottles while also trying to figure out what works for my hair. It's still early for me though.
Thanks for your input. This is so overwhelming ... I spent an hour at walmart reading ingredients on the bottles while also trying to figure out what works for my hair. It's still early for me though.
Originally Posted by SaMmIe10
Maybe don't try to reinvent the wheel, try using tried and tested products that are mentioned on these forums, there are lots of threads on drugstore brands for specific hair types/ properties if you run advanced searches (Google is perhaps better than the NC search function). There are ingredients lists for numerous products here on NC and others on Google.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Ok, so currently I am using L'Oreal CurlCare Cleansing Conditioner, then doing a Rinse Out with Nature's Gate Jojoba conditioner, using a little bit of that as a leave in, following up with a mousse or gel ... or both ...

I will say although my curls are so obviously damaged I am surprised at how much LESS greasy my hair is after two days of not washing it at all and just using cleansing conditioner, no lather/shampoo. I used to be greasy after a day.
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
Ok, so currently I am using L'Oreal CurlCare Cleansing Conditioner, then doing a Rinse Out with Nature's Gate Jojoba conditioner, using a little bit of that as a leave in, following up with a mousse or gel ... or both ...

I will say although my curls are so obviously damaged I am surprised at how much LESS greasy my hair is after two days of not washing it at all and just using cleansing conditioner, no lather/shampoo. I used to be greasy after a day.
Originally Posted by SaMmIe10
Sounds good: yes I had less greasy scalp and face the first week! Sulphates strip and irritate the skin, this can cause it to overproduce sebum to try to protect itself. You might consider phasing them out of all your products - they are found in body wash, hand soap, toothpaste, mouth wash, box dye, aqueous cream. My hands, nails and lips are in much better shape since I got rid of them.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
That's really interesting, firefox. I actually have thought about it lately. The only part that I would be nervous about would be my acne wash. I have had acne prone skin my whole life, cystic acne, etc and it took a really long time and lots of doctors to find a method that keeps it under control. I tried a lot of Rx stuff, but actually found Neutrogena helps me the most. I think they might have a natural line but I am afraid to mess with my skin routine now that it is clear.

But I definitely want to start phasing to more natural makeup, body wash, etc. I didn't know there was toothpaste without those products! Where do you buy everything?
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
That's really interesting, firefox. I actually have thought about it lately. The only part that I would be nervous about would be my acne wash. I have had acne prone skin my whole life, cystic acne, etc and it took a really long time and lots of doctors to find a method that keeps it under control. I tried a lot of Rx stuff, but actually found Neutrogena helps me the most. I think they might have a natural line but I am afraid to mess with my skin routine now that it is clear.

But I definitely want to start phasing to more natural makeup, body wash, etc. I didn't know there was toothpaste without those products! Where do you buy everything?
Originally Posted by SaMmIe10
Eeep your skin barrier is probably totally destroyed, you would certainly be at risk of rebound acne. Do you consistently eat an anti inflammatory nutrient dense diet and have an anti stress lifestyle? Not a cure for cystic but absolutely can help, acne is fundamentally an inflammatory condition where the skin barrier is not working effectively (keeps water in, chemicals and bacteria out).

I buy a fair bit online but you can try health food stores. I use a sulphate free shampoo/ shower gel 'base' from a cosmetics base company for body wash, hand soap and occasional clarifying hair (contains a betaine). Since it is one product I buy five litres and give some to my mother because she has dermatitis too. Toothpaste and mouthwash I use Aloe Pura which is European, the mouthwash is disgusting tho. Some find changing oral care products helps with acne or dermatitis in the perioral zone. I usually wear powder-free rubber gloves for household chores so I don't have to worry about sulphates, got clever the other day and scrubbed the sink without gloves and now have two broken nails!

If you are ever interested in trying an evidence based, gentle natural serum for acne/ rosacea/ excess sebum production/ anti ageing I'd recommend the Skinessentialactives KNN. The store owner/ formulator is a research scientist and VERY knowledgeable, ex-acne sufferer herself as are many of her customers and testers. She is active on Skincareboards.net if you ever want to pick her brains.

This makes several serums so cheaper than at first glance, links to published studies on the key actives Kinetin DIY kit, SeaKinNiaNAG serum, $38.95
If you aren't already, avoid oils rich in oleic acid - research suggests it is a penetration enhancer, irritant, comedogenic and disrupts the skin barrier.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 09-17-2013 at 09:34 AM.
I try to eat well, though can't say I lead a stress free lifestyle lol I am working on it though, doing yoga 5x/week when I wake up, trying to improve my stress levels. It's definitely not as bad as it used to be.

I've had cystic acne since I was 12 and now I'm 25 ... Birth control pills helped it be less deeply cystic but it's still something I battle. Ill take a look at that link later, it sounds interesting .. I would be concerned about rebound acne for sure
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
Going for my first deva cut now .... Nervous and excited! Here's my before picture ... Will post an after later. New to this ... please help? :)-imageuploadedbycurltalk1379516247.311647.jpg
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13

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