THIS is why I keep trying

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Had a gorgeous curl yesterday! But, it was just. a. single. curl. The attached photo is typical me. As soon as I got damp during the light rain yesterday, I knew my hair was going to do it's horny thing.
It's these beautiful curls (especially that one on my left, your right) that make me want to keep trying to bring out my wave, but it's rather discouraging when I can't seem to find the right routine to make it happen. I think I've decided that I'm lacking a curl definer. I've got the moisture in the shower and I've got a gel (that I don't love, but at least I have one), but I'm lacking a styling product to bring out the curl/wave. Any suggestions? Your favorites?

FYI:
Photo was Tuesday night, hair had been co-washed Sunday morning then moussed and diffused. No scrunching or touching the curls around my head on Tuesday, they just popped that way! Weather stats:
Temp: high of 95 F
Humidity was about 57%
Dew Point was about 75 F
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2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Protein is a curl enhancer... if your hair is on the fine side you should get some regular intake of protein. Are you doing any protein treatments?

Is the DE shampoo sulfate-free? I seem to remember it wasn't when I checked it out at WF but I may be mistaken. Mag sulfate is curl enhancer as well but is drying; how much of it/how frequently your hair can tolerate it is individual.. you just have to experiment and try.

Plopping and diffusing ... especially diffusing makes a big big difference in the curl formation as well as volume.

With fine hair you can try the less-is-more approach. In high dews I've recently discovered I need zero leave-in, only gel. You can try a light-weight gelly too... see if your hair likes that better than a hard hold gel.

Go for smaller clumps... I find that they can bounce up more when they're smaller on me... I think it's a fine hair thing.
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2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Also the suave professionals I believe have cones?

I don't think everyone NEEDS to be CG or anything, but cones tend to straighten my curls. Sulfates too.
WurlyLox likes this.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Had a gorgeous curl yesterday! But, it was just. a. single. curl. The attached photo is typical me. As soon as I got damp during the light rain yesterday, I knew my hair was going to do it's horny thing.
It's these beautiful curls (especially that one on my left, your right) that make me want to keep trying to bring out my wave, but it's rather discouraging when I can't seem to find the right routine to make it happen. I think I've decided that I'm lacking a curl definer. I've got the moisture in the shower and I've got a gel (that I don't love, but at least I have one), but I'm lacking a styling product to bring out the curl/wave. Any suggestions? Your favorites?

FYI:
Photo was Tuesday night, hair had been co-washed Sunday morning then moussed and diffused. No scrunching or touching the curls around my head on Tuesday, they just popped that way! Weather stats:
Temp: high of 95 F
Humidity was about 57%
Dew Point was about 75 F
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
Maybe don't tie your hair back so tight, style it wavy and work with that. By pulling it back you may flyaways so much more noticeable. Also pulling hair straight can last through more than one wash, for me it can take up to three for the waves to recover. Spin Pins are good for secure but loose up dos.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks everyone for the advice!
I have thought about doing some protein treatments, but just haven't got around to it yet.

I thought the DE shampoo was sulfate free (I believe they advertise as such), but I've since finished that up and moved on to SM Moisture Retention. I felt like I was losing a lot of hair on the DE. The SM can be a little bit heavy/greasy for me on it's own, so I either dilute it with water or use a very little bit.

I've tried a little plopping and diffusing, but I haven't been super impressed with either. Plopping tends to make my crown incredibly flat and yields wonky, stringy, slept-with-my-hair-down-but-didn't-brush-in-the-morning, shapes (I'm not sure I'd even call them waves). Probably due to my poor technique and lack of curl definer.
Diffusing probably works the best for me, but the end result doesn't last (see my diffused photo on Any Potential? Need some Opinions thread). I'd also rather not diffuse everyday if I can help it.

The Suave Professionals I use is this one:
SUAVE: Professional Quality Products For The Whole Family
I thought it was CG approved, but maybe I'm wrong? I am trying to avoid cones since they tend to pull out the wave and I don't need ANY of that!

I do wear my hair back a lot. Unfortunately, my work kind of demands it (veterinary/animal industry). I need a style that gets my hair out of my face, and will stay put, securely, for 12+ hours.
I'm sure one of the biggest reasons these flyaways curl is because they're so lightweight. Even if I left my hair down and subjected it to the same conditions that produced the curly flyaways, the length of my hair wouldn't curl up like that. Maybe it's just my curl pattern? When I diffuse or plop, those front sections-- with the shorter strands-- always curl up more than the rest.

I hate to sound like I'm shooting all your ideas down! I really do appreciate the advice, and need your expertise! Couple questions (and then I'm done!):

Wavydaze: you mentioned going for smaller clumps. How do you do that? Also is there a lightweight gel you favor?
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
The Suave Professionals shampoos and Desert Essence coconut contain sulphate surfactants. Looks to me like the DE is advertised as SLS free, not free of all sulphates. The Suave Professionals conditioner has a couple of silicones, they are suffix -cone, -conol, -xane. It is Suave Naturals that are CG friendly.

I get flat or wonky or frizzy hair if I plop too long, my hair is too dry when I start plopping (not enough water or not enough products). When I take my plop down I 'press' the centimetre of baby hair either side of my face down with my finger to encourage the baby hairs to join in/ form a clump with longer hairs a little further back. The CG method has you root clipping after plopping for volume.

Maybe try pulling your hair less tight, you can get a secure up do without doing that - Spin Pins are magic, maybe a silk or satin ribbon headband for the front. Some of the up dos that work with your wave/ curl have you twisting dry clumps of hair from the front in the direction they want to wave/ curl, which help secure it instead of pulling tight, and can help blend in shorter hairs.

Over time my hair has started waving closer to the roots and the short flyaways have begun to tuck in with them and form a loose ringlet. Also some of my flyaways around the hairline have grown longer - that is since I stopped straining my hair with a daily ponytail, and it was not even a super tight one. But, like I say, if I pull my hair straight it can take up to three washes for my waves to bounce back after wearing it straighter.

For me hydrolysed protein has really helped as has generally going full CG (no sulphates, nothing that builds up and weighs hair down - I cannot get on with shea butter or waxes like cetyl esters).
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks so much for the tips and heads up about non-CG products. Maybe I'll start to see some results with just those minor changes! Do I understand correctly: you can't use shea butter-- it's too heavy? That might mean the end of my affiliation with the Shea Moisture line if the butter is making my waves fall with too much weight.
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Thanks so much for the tips and heads up about non-CG products. Maybe I'll start to see some results with just those minor changes! Do I understand correctly: you can't use shea butter-- it's too heavy? That might mean the end of my affiliation with the Shea Moisture line if the butter is making my waves fall with too much weight.
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
Shea weigh down for me and other wavies and fine hairs, butters are one of the families of ingredients that can build up along with many silicones, some polyquats, waxes, mineral oil/ petrolatum. Oils come out much easier even with conditioner than butters.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks everyone for the advice!
I have thought about doing some protein treatments, but just haven't got around to it yet.

I thought the DE shampoo was sulfate free (I believe they advertise as such), but I've since finished that up and moved on to SM Moisture Retention. I felt like I was losing a lot of hair on the DE. The SM can be a little bit heavy/greasy for me on it's own, so I either dilute it with water or use a very little bit.

I've tried a little plopping and diffusing, but I haven't been super impressed with either. Plopping tends to make my crown incredibly flat and yields wonky, stringy, slept-with-my-hair-down-but-didn't-brush-in-the-morning, shapes (I'm not sure I'd even call them waves). Probably due to my poor technique and lack of curl definer.
Diffusing probably works the best for me, but the end result doesn't last (see my diffused photo on Any Potential? Need some Opinions thread). I'd also rather not diffuse everyday if I can help it.

The Suave Professionals I use is this one:
SUAVE: Professional Quality Products For The Whole Family
I thought it was CG approved, but maybe I'm wrong? I am trying to avoid cones since they tend to pull out the wave and I don't need ANY of that!

I do wear my hair back a lot. Unfortunately, my work kind of demands it (veterinary/animal industry). I need a style that gets my hair out of my face, and will stay put, securely, for 12+ hours.
I'm sure one of the biggest reasons these flyaways curl is because they're so lightweight. Even if I left my hair down and subjected it to the same conditions that produced the curly flyaways, the length of my hair wouldn't curl up like that. Maybe it's just my curl pattern? When I diffuse or plop, those front sections-- with the shorter strands-- always curl up more than the rest.

I hate to sound like I'm shooting all your ideas down! I really do appreciate the advice, and need your expertise! Couple questions (and then I'm done!):

Wavydaze: you mentioned going for smaller clumps. How do you do that? Also is there a lightweight gel you favor?
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
Lightweight gels/gellys meaning like FSG. Uncle Funky's Daughter Curly Magic is supposed to be lightweight as well and work similarly too. There's lots of other gelly/jelly products... like DM MiraCurls, EO Tame, AO Mandarin Magic, Curly Kinks Coil Jam for instance.... you have to keep in mind your dew points as a lot of these are aloe (or glycerin) based. But FSG is way cheaper than any other option. I'm not necessarily beating down hard-hold gels; I've had good results w/ Volumax Mega... it doesn't weigh down my curls, actually with diffusing it works pretty awesome. (Put on after protein RO; no LI).

I go for smaller clumps by just breaking them up more while wet. Diffusing kinda naturally breaks up my clumps a bit.

I didn't like the SM MR... the shea really built up quickly. I know some people love it but I wouldn't recommend it for fine, low-porosity hair. I use the SM C&H one... less shea but only in rotation w/ other poos. YesToCucumbers and the Giovanni poos I've found are gentle but don't have any builduppy ingredients in them.

I second spin pins. There's ways to get your hair out of your face without pulling it taught.
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2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

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