Does anyone else's hair do this?

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I'm still trying to transition my hair and discover its full wave potential, but I was wondering if anyone else's hair gets/got tangly when you leave it down without brushing it?
I'm trying to not pull it back tightly and I'm trying to not brush it out, but it always winds up feeling stringy, tangly, frizzy, and unattractive. Anybody else had that problem? Could it be an indication of porosity? Need for moisture? Protein?
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Mine did in the beginning... That was before my hair health improved and it was very dry.
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


My hair used to do that, but I think I am just taking generally better care of it now (more conditioner, gentler brushing in the shower, more finger combing) and now I find my hair gets less tangly wavy than it does when it's straight!!
What products do you use, and what's your routine??
I generally don't get tangled but the deva ultra something gel (whatever the name is) and one other one that I can't remember, gave me terrible tangles. I think the shea moisture smoothie did it too.
I'm still trying to transition my hair and discover its full wave potential, but I was wondering if anyone else's hair gets/got tangly when you leave it down without brushing it?
I'm trying to not pull it back tightly and I'm trying to not brush it out, but it always winds up feeling stringy, tangly, frizzy, and unattractive. Anybody else had that problem? Could it be an indication of porosity? Need for moisture? Protein?
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
You don't have any conditioner in your signature just two styling products, are you not using a rinse out and a leave in conditioner?

My hair is tangled in the sense I can't run my fingers or a brush through it, that is the nature of wavy and curly hair. It's not tangled in the sense of actual knots, except when it's due a wash anyway.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks for all the replies!
PyjamaLlama-
I don't really have a set routine right now, mostly because I haven't found anything that works! It's rather disappointing, but all that's for another thread! Here's my basic washing/styling routine:
1. Wet my hair (right side up)
2. Scrub my scalp with a nickel to quarter size amount of SMMR (right side up)
3. Rinse and scrub my scalp (right side up).
4. Comb through my hair (with the water running on it) using a wide tooth comb.
5. At this point I would usually do a RO conditioner and allow it to sit while finishing my other showering duties, but I don't really have a RO right now. The last few showers, I've used some more SMMR (dime to nickel size) on the length (sometimes right side up, sometimes up side down, sometimes scrunching, sometimes not, etc).
6. Going down the length, I squeeze out some of the water just so I'm not sopping wet.
7. This is the step where I'm floundering the most. I usually apply some product (gel, Curls Creme, or both), but my results don't really seem to improve one way or another. Right side up or upside down application doesn't really seem to matter either. I do scrunch, usually with a microfiber towel. I used to scrub/shake through my roots with the towel, but I began to wonder if that was destroying my clumping.
8. Two days I week I follow this with some plopping for about 15-20 minutes. before going to bed. The other day, I diffuse (upside down). Diffusing seems to work better, but my results still aren't that impressive.

Firefox-
Hopefully the above answers some of your questions as well. As far as the tangling: by the end of the day, I can run my fingers through my hair until I get to the ends, then they hit... snaggles? They aren't serious knots, but I do have to push my hand down more to get them through.

Thank you so much ladies for all the help! I'm really grateful for this board!
P.S. I did try a light protein treatment on Friday (IAgirl's). It didn't seem to do much for me. I'll probably try the full strength recipe next time.
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Do you have damaged ends? I have had that happen, even before going curly. My Damaged ends would sort of Velcro to each other and, like u described, I could run my fingers through my hair smoothly until the "snaggely" ends. Maybe a trim would help?
Thanks for all the replies!
PyjamaLlama-
I don't really have a set routine right now, mostly because I haven't found anything that works! It's rather disappointing, but all that's for another thread! Here's my basic washing/styling routine:
1. Wet my hair (right side up)
2. Scrub my scalp with a nickel to quarter size amount of SMMR (right side up)
3. Rinse and scrub my scalp (right side up).
4. Comb through my hair (with the water running on it) using a wide tooth comb.
5. At this point I would usually do a RO conditioner and allow it to sit while finishing my other showering duties, but I don't really have a RO right now. The last few showers, I've used some more SMMR (dime to nickel size) on the length (sometimes right side up, sometimes up side down, sometimes scrunching, sometimes not, etc).
6. Going down the length, I squeeze out some of the water just so I'm not sopping wet.
7. This is the step where I'm floundering the most. I usually apply some product (gel, Curls Creme, or both), but my results don't really seem to improve one way or another. Right side up or upside down application doesn't really seem to matter either. I do scrunch, usually with a microfiber towel. I used to scrub/shake through my roots with the towel, but I began to wonder if that was destroying my clumping.
8. Two days I week I follow this with some plopping for about 15-20 minutes. before going to bed. The other day, I diffuse (upside down). Diffusing seems to work better, but my results still aren't that impressive.

Firefox-
Hopefully the above answers some of your questions as well. As far as the tangling: by the end of the day, I can run my fingers through my hair until I get to the ends, then they hit... snaggles? They aren't serious knots, but I do have to push my hand down more to get them through.

Thank you so much ladies for all the help! I'm really grateful for this board!
P.S. I did try a light protein treatment on Friday (IAgirl's). It didn't seem to do much for me. I'll probably try the full strength recipe next time.
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
Go back to basics, you are not following the method. Curly Girl is about condition, condition, condition, also keeping manipulation and touching to a minimum.

1. Shea Moisture moisture retention low-poo or conditioner? You can't use a low poo as a leave in. Check the ingredients, for a conditioner you want fatty alcohols and cationic surfactants high on the list, these are your conditioning agents and cleansers if you are no-pooing/ co-washing. Shea butter can build up, research shows butters are poor for slip so you want that way down the list.

2. Don't wet, rinse to shift old product. This can 'reactivate' leave in conditioner on your head and start the detangling process.

3. Detangle ONLY when your head is slathered in piles of a slippy conditioner, that can be co-wash or rinse out. This decreases friction and protects the wet swollen cuticle from damage when combing, water helps but is not a substitute. Get your hands out of your hair, no dry finger detangling.

4. I haven't a clue what your US coinage looks like but I don't see they can be particularly huge! I suspect you are not using anywhere near enough conditioner overall, your conditioner is responsible for helping your hair hold the right amount of water, it aids clumping and IME it's more important on dry or damaged hair than the styling product. If you are shampooing rinse out conditioner is a must, it resets the pH and helps the cuticle lay flat again.

5. You should be applying to dripping wet hair, not squeezing water down the length, squeeze water out as you apply products - squish leave-in until seaweedy, then styler - see Devachan videos on YouTube. Again water is very important for clumping.

6. I suspect you are removing too much water between squeezing AND scrunching AND plopping for so long when you are not using much conditioner. Too much water out and my ends fall apart.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 09-16-2013 at 05:05 AM.
MollysMom: Thanks for the input! Your velcro ends sound a bit like mine. I am due for a trim so that might be a possibility. I've been getting a 1/2" off every other month for about a year (trying to grow it out), though, so they shouldn't be horrible.

Firefox: thanks for chiming in! I'm using the Shea Moisture low-poo currently, although you've just about convinced me to chuck it and try something else! I'm not sure co-washing is an option for me since I've gotten a gunky scalp the few times I've tried it. I'd like to work out my hair's porosity before I purchase a new low-poo though as I don't want to blindly purchase something not meant for my hair type.

I've seen the Sauve Naturals and VO5 conditioners a lot on here. Do those work for a wide range of hair textures, porosities, densities, etc? I could pick up one of those and use it as my RO and LI conditioner as you suggested.

I'm not quite sure I understand your point #2. If you're referring to my point #3, I was doing the rinse/scrub to remove excess SMMR low-poo so I don't get that gunky scalp.

Ah, I suspected you were international! Dime to nickle isn't much at all. I've been shying away from using too much SMMR, because of my scalp's tendency to get oily-like (oily scalp was the original reason I dropped the sulfates). I'm not sure if this is because of porosity (if I'm low than the products are just sitting there) or texture, or just the wrong products.

Lastly, do you experience too much product getting squeezed out with the water?


Thanks again everybody! I'm excited to try all your suggestions!
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
You had some good advice already, but from what I read, this is my 2 cents.

You are using your low poo as a conditioner. Conditioner and low poo are different. So you can keep using your SMMR to wash your hair, then use a nice thick conditioner over the whole length of your hair, let it sit while you do your shower routine, then comb out your hair with the conditioner in it, then rinse out your conditioner.

Next, squeeze out just a little water (very little), get your gel in your hands, then apply by gently scrunching. I use a technique called scrunch and pump, which works very well to prevent frizz and get good shiny clumps. I do this upside down because it helps volume, but you can do it right side up too.

After applying your gel, you can either plop, diffuse or air dry. I like to plop for 10-15 minutes, then diffuse, but my hair is thick and if I don't plop then diffuse my hair would still be wet the next day.

After air drying/diffusing to 100% dry, gently scrunch your hair to release the gel-cast (the crunch). I use a light spray like TIGI curl boost or FX curl booster spray to set my waves after scrunching out the crunch.

Try to not touch your hair. Any touching besides the initial product application on wet hair is going to break up clumps. You were right to stop towel drying your roots - that breaks up clumps and makes frizz. I do not ever run my hands through my dry hair unless I'm getting ready to restyle or rewash. If you have styled wavy/curly hair, you will not be able to run your hands through your hair easily. The texture of your hair will make it tangle and frizz if you run your hands through it.

Some cheap drugstore conditioners you can try out are VO5, Suave Naturals, Tresemme Naturals, or Trader Joe's if you have one nearby. Those are in order of increasing heaviness/thickness as I've found them. So VO5 is a lighter condtioner than Tresemme.

HTH

CG 4/13/2012
med-coarse texture/med density/low porosity
(2c/3a)
Clarifying: TJ TTT shampoo
Cowash: VO5 clarifying kiwi lime, Suave daily clarifying
RO: SN or Tresemme naturals, TJ TTT
LI: SN or VO5
Styling: Gels - HESMU, AAV; John Frieda & HETT mousse; TIGI Curl Booster, FX Curl Booster * Fan of plopping & diffusing
Thanks, bluebonnet! I've read about SOTC, but my hair has never dried crunchy. Maybe I'm not using enough product? It wasn't even crunchy the day I used a ton of mousse with diffusing...just product-y (which I hated). I'm probably going to repurpose my SMMR low-poo as a body wash; I think the shea butter might be too much for me. I just need to fine something else to use.
Do you use a curl defining product? I see your hair has a tighter curl pattern than mine so it might not be necessary for you. Thanks again!
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
You can still use a low poo. You don't have to co-wash.
My routine is low poo (small amount just to massage my scalp with, not on the length of my hair), rinse out conditioner (at least a half dollar with most of it on the length of my hair), leave in conditioner (nickle size), curl cream (quarter size), gel (palmful) or deva's mousse (like 4 pumps of it). I use a wide tooth comb to detangle in the shower while the rinse out conditioner is still in my hair.

Good luck!
Hair Properties: 2A/2B, Medium-fine, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, Medium density
Low Poo: DevaCare, Yes to Cuc's
Rinse Out: DevaCare One Condition, Yes to Cuc's
Cowash: Suave Naturals Lavender, Yes to Carrots Scalp Conditioner
Curl Cream: AG ReCoil, Organix Moroccan Oil Curl Cream
Gel/Mousse: Sweet Curls Elixirs FSG w/ Mag Sulfate added, Sweet Curls Elixirs hard hold gel, DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam, Aquage Uplifting Foam
Protein: Spiral Solutions Protein Spray for daily use
Thanks jakrussel3! You're routine sounds similar to mine (i.e. low-poo for the scalp, conditioner for everything else). I just purchased some VO5 Kiwi and Lime conditioner, but I'm still hunting for a low poo...
I also discovered some Herbal Essences Set Me Up Gel that was stashed away in a closet. It seems to work pretty well for me (better than LAL ever did). I got good clumps on Tuesday night, but they were almost too clumpy: more like slightly bendy sticks, than attractive waves. Oh well! It's good for a laugh and all part of learning!
2A, Low Porosity?, Medium Width, Medium Density
Low-Poo: Giovanni TTTT
Rinse Out/Leave In: VO5 Kiwi
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Thanks jakrussel3! You're routine sounds similar to mine (i.e. low-poo for the scalp, conditioner for everything else). I just purchased some VO5 Kiwi and Lime conditioner, but I'm still hunting for a low poo...
I also discovered some Herbal Essences Set Me Up Gel that was stashed away in a closet. It seems to work pretty well for me (better than LAL ever did). I got good clumps on Tuesday night, but they were almost too clumpy: more like slightly bendy sticks, than attractive waves. Oh well! It's good for a laugh and all part of learning!
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
You mean Medusa-noodle-head? Yeah I get that with some gels.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks jakrussel3! You're routine sounds similar to mine (i.e. low-poo for the scalp, conditioner for everything else). I just purchased some VO5 Kiwi and Lime conditioner, but I'm still hunting for a low poo...
I also discovered some Herbal Essences Set Me Up Gel that was stashed away in a closet. It seems to work pretty well for me (better than LAL ever did). I got good clumps on Tuesday night, but they were almost too clumpy: more like slightly bendy sticks, than attractive waves. Oh well! It's good for a laugh and all part of learning!
Originally Posted by Hisreputation
You mean Medusa-noodle-head? Yeah I get that with some gels.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Or I like to call it "Jon Snow lost in the Tundra" look.
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