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Old 09-18-2013, 04:02 PM   #1
 
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Ok guys,

So I got my haircut about a month or so ago, with long layers. And it looks purty good! I've also changed up my routine a bit to make it simpler- after co-washing and sometimes low-pooing, I use nothing but Depp Sport Gel, then plop.

But since the cut, I've noticed my waves are a lot more stringy and a lot less clumpy then they used to be. Any ideas why, or how I can remedy this? The photo is from today- my hair is still a little wet from my shower.
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Been using nothing but Sulfate-free shampoo/conditioners for years now, but just getting into mod-CG for the past couple of months and loving it:

Type 2a/2b: Medium/Fine, High Density, Normal Porosity (I think)
Low-Poo: YtC
Co-wash: YtC, Suave Naturals
Products: NYM Kinky Moves, HETT Mouse, Dep Sport Gel, NYM Sea Salt Spray (for 2nd day hair)
Techniques: Plopping, Pixie diffusing, SOTC

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Old 09-18-2013, 04:40 PM   #2
 
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Use a leave in conditioner as per the method, that is a key part of the clumping.
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:49 PM   #3
 
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I usually just leave some of my regular conditioner in my hair as a leave in, otherwise I find my hair looks/feels too greasy. If too much of it gets rinsed out, or I'm feeling particularly frizzy that day, I might use a tinyyyy bit more, but I don't buy a specific leave-in. I honestly see it as a waste, but do you disagree?
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Been using nothing but Sulfate-free shampoo/conditioners for years now, but just getting into mod-CG for the past couple of months and loving it:

Type 2a/2b: Medium/Fine, High Density, Normal Porosity (I think)
Low-Poo: YtC
Co-wash: YtC, Suave Naturals
Products: NYM Kinky Moves, HETT Mouse, Dep Sport Gel, NYM Sea Salt Spray (for 2nd day hair)
Techniques: Plopping, Pixie diffusing, SOTC

Still experimenting...
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Old 09-18-2013, 04:58 PM   #4
 
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I usually just leave some of my regular conditioner in my hair as a leave in, otherwise I find my hair looks/feels too greasy. If too much of it gets rinsed out, or I'm feeling particularly frizzy that day, I might use a tinyyyy bit more, but I don't buy a specific leave-in. I honestly see it as a waste, but do you disagree?
I am slightly confused, you don't mention a rinse out conditioner at all in the OP nor in your signature? Are you doing one step cleansing but not rinsing all the cleansing product out, or are you cleansing, rinsing, then conditioning, partially rinsing?

You don't necessarily need a separate leave in, you can use a rinse out conditioner as a leave in, but you need to use enough of it for clumping. If it's making you feel greasy then use a product that contains less/ no oil - for me fatty alcohols are key in clumping. I'd say the wash out conditioner step is more of a waste than the leave in step.

Your leave in conditioner also 'protects' the hair from the drying effects of gels and certainly salt based curl boosters which are well known to be drying if overused.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics

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Old 09-18-2013, 05:10 PM   #5
 
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Yeah, sorry, I really don't care as much about the terminology and semantics etc as a lot of people on here seem to. Let me be a little more clear- I'm all about efficiency, so I tend to be a one step kind of girl. If I'm low-pooing, I do that first, then I apply conditioner, twirl my hair up and clip it onto my head till I'm done with the rest of my shower, then comb, and rinse some of it out and leave the rest. If I'm not low-pooing, I might use some conditioner as a rinse out, but I usually just skip that step and massage my scalp with water only before going right for the conditioner step. Does that make more sense?

The problem could lie with my conditioner- for the longest time I used YtC (which I still use for low-pooing), but ran out, and went for Suave Naturals around the same time I got my hair cut. So many people seem to love it, but maybe my hair just doesn't. But it is soooo cheap!
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Been using nothing but Sulfate-free shampoo/conditioners for years now, but just getting into mod-CG for the past couple of months and loving it:

Type 2a/2b: Medium/Fine, High Density, Normal Porosity (I think)
Low-Poo: YtC
Co-wash: YtC, Suave Naturals
Products: NYM Kinky Moves, HETT Mouse, Dep Sport Gel, NYM Sea Salt Spray (for 2nd day hair)
Techniques: Plopping, Pixie diffusing, SOTC

Still experimenting...
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:20 PM   #6
 
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People care about "terminology and semantics" because we want to help and we can't do that without an accurate story. I hope your last post wasn't intended to be snarky but it came over that way.

Best of luck I hope you find a solution.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Experimenting with: going back to basics
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:37 PM   #7
 
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You know... I come to this forum for help with my hair, but it seems that every time I post, one of the "regulars" has to tell me how I'm doing it wrong. Sorry if my questions aren't formatted perfectly, I guess just I'm not an expert like you! Nope, that last post wasn't meant to be snarky at all, but I do suggest you read over your own posts and see how rude you come off. Especially your last one. For this record, this one isn't snarky either- it is completely serious.

It isn't just this thread- I've noticed it from you and others in almost every thread that a beginner starts. You say you're trying to be helpful, but it really just sounds rude and disparaging when you post something along the lines of "HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY EXPECT OUR HELP AT ALL IF YOU WON'T POST ALL YOUR HAIR PROPERTIES, WHAT ARE YOU, STUPID?"

This is probably the last time I will ever use this forum, so thanks very much for that! You have officially prompted me to give up on this site!
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Been using nothing but Sulfate-free shampoo/conditioners for years now, but just getting into mod-CG for the past couple of months and loving it:

Type 2a/2b: Medium/Fine, High Density, Normal Porosity (I think)
Low-Poo: YtC
Co-wash: YtC, Suave Naturals
Products: NYM Kinky Moves, HETT Mouse, Dep Sport Gel, NYM Sea Salt Spray (for 2nd day hair)
Techniques: Plopping, Pixie diffusing, SOTC

Still experimenting...
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:45 PM   #8
 
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It always takes my hair a little while to recover from a cut, for some reason. But a month seems like a long time.....are you applying your gel to soaking wet hair? Do you scrunch and pump (awesome!!!)? You said you recently changed up your routine, could that be it? Maybe go back to what you were doing before and see if you get better clumps. Good luck.
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Old 09-19-2013, 07:16 AM   #9
 
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applying stylers to *soaking* wet hair helps clumping in my case, as does the "super soaker" method... you can search for it.
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