Lost and need help from fellow 2s

I've read the CG book, I've poked around on this site for the past week, and I'm confused. How do I find out the dew point in my area? How do I figure out the texture of my hair? My hair is short and baby-fine and layered to below my ears and it seems that most folks here have long hair. I just want to know the best products to use for my kind of hair.

I'm either a 2A or 2B. The layers in back have defined curls, but the top is flat unless I use product, and then looks skimpy with loose curls.

I've used no-sulfate shampoos for several years, but some of them make my hair feel like straw until I put in conditioner, and then a lot of hair comes out in my hands. I thought it might be from coloring my hair with Nutratint, but I think it's the shampoo. If I try a sulfate shampoo, it doesn't seem to happen.

I want to grow my hair into a bob, and stop coloring, so I want it to look its best. Oh - and I have a lot of gray.

If anyone has hair like mine, please let me know what shampoo/conditioner you use. Thanks!
Dew points/ humidity are om the free NC 'Curls on the Go' app if you have a smartphone, or on the Frizz Forecast tool on the main NC site - do explore the main site, there is a ton of useful information. The 'curl chemist' series of articles by Tonya McKay is particularly good and covers ingredients.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...ly-hair?page=4

Hair properties check out Live Curly Live Free site, but bear in mind the porosity tests have been debunked, you are better looking at how your hair behaves. There is also a hair analysis service by Goosefootprints on Etsy if you are confused.

Permanently colour treated is rarely low porosity, it is more at risk of being dried out or damaged by other means - harsh cleansers, mechanical damage, heat styling, UV light. Don't confuse 'dryness' with damage or conditioning with 'moisturising' - they may feel similar but they are not necessarily one and the same. Many sulphate shampoos will leave a coating of silicones (faux shine and slip) or other agents that confer softness but they NEVER moisturise. Some sulphate free shampoos are quite harsh so will ruffle the cuticle making it feel 'dry' or simply reveal underlying or pre-existing damage.

Do also check out the stickies on the newbies and general haircare boards, the basics and some advanced stuff is covered there. Fine hair tends to do well with hydrolysed protein, this is also useful for 'patch repairing' colour damage.

If you tell us your dew points, properties and full routine we can try to 'trouble shoot'.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 09-19-2013 at 06:09 AM.
Under the "care" tab at the top, go to frizz control then frizz forecast. Type in your zip code and curl type, then voila! What sulphate free shampoos are you currently using? I've found that many of them are stripping and no better than sulphate poos. Some are very gentle, though, but in my experience they are the expensive ones. You may want to give cowashing a try, even just a few days a week, and low poo once a week or so.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Honestly going to a deva stylist has helped me more than anything. I read everything and was still confused about my hair type and how it worked in my environment. I was lucky and had somebody who really educated me a lot about my hair yesterday.

I like the deva low poo and use it with a conditioner.
Hair Type: Combo of 2A, 2B and 2C ... with a weird straight underlayer
Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low Poo: Yes To Cucumbers Color Protection Shampoo
Cowash: VO5 Moisture Milks
Styler: KCCC
Gel: Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel, Tigi Bed Head Creative Genius gel

Started CG 9/10/13
I agree, the DevaCare low poo is my favorite, and I've experimented a lot with both drugstore and online products. It's worth the money; I get a decent lather, it smells good, and it is not stripping AT ALL. lots rave about the YTC shampoo and I find it stripping compared to the deva or CJ low poos. The CJ I don't like as well as deva because I have to use a lot of it.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I'm either a 2A or 2B. The layers in back have defined curls, but the top is flat unless I use product, and then looks skimpy with loose curls.
Originally Posted by Digby
My hair is curlier than yours but it will dry almost straight with no product. Using a good hard hold gel is essential for my hair to curl well on top (I scrunch out the crunch completely - I'm not a fan at all of the "gel" look).

Also, if your hair isn't moisturized enough, it won't curl as well as it could.

Have you ever tried co-washing? I have relatively fine hair and I never thought I could ditch shampooing but to be honest I don't miss it and when you find the right co-wash it won't weigh your hair down and it can still get your hair very clean without drying it out.
3a/2c natural redhead and I've been sulfate/cone free since 2006
Thanks for all the tips! You're all fabulous.

I tried the frizz forecast three different days and it never brought anything up other than asking me for my hair type and zip code, which I had already filled in. So I'm giving up on the whole dew point thing. The articles I read were confusing to me. Oh well.

I tried cowashing but it made my hair look dull. DevaCare low poo has been the best so far, and the DevaCare conditioner, but it can be too heavy if I use it often. The Devacurl makes my head itch so I can't use it.

I've also used JessieCurl gentle cleanser. I've also tried the no-sulfate shampoos from Aubrey Organics, but they made my hair feel like straw.

Those of you who use Deva low poo and conditioner, do you use a leave-in conditioner too?

Years ago I got advice from a Deva-trained stylist, and the Deva line was what she suggested.

Thanks again!
Also all weather pages should dew point. NOAA, Accuweather any of those show humidity and dew point.
2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
The Weather Channel app also gives dew points.
2a/b, med/high porosity, high density, fine texture
Don't have a smartphone, but I'll try the web. Thanks!
Pretty much any website weather site should have it.
2a medium porous, You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com

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