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Old 10-23-2013, 03:42 PM   #1
 
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I'm new to the CG method. I'm new to this forum also, I've actually never posted on any forum. But I really need some help.

I have 2b-2c hair, very fine and somewhat thin. I have been using Devacurl no-poo and conditioner. I started using it 4 weeks ago. For the first 3 weeks or so my hair looked great! It had body (a first for me!), defined curls, and looked thicker than it ever had. But the last 4 days or so it's gone flat and limp. Hardly any curl.

I wash with the no-poo every 3 days or so, and use the conditioner every day. If I don't condition every day my hair gets pouffy and frizzy. I use a microfiber towel and don't dry it too much. My hair is pretty short, so I can't really "plop" it. I scrunch it the best I can. I haven't used a brush in years, and only comb it if it gets really tangled. Otherwise I use my fingers to detangle in the shower, and don't touch it otherwise.

Does anyone know what could cause the change? Any other products I should try? I'm really disappointed, I loved my hair for the first time in my life and now it's gone!
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Old 10-23-2013, 04:16 PM   #2
 
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You could have a few things going on. Here are the possibilities:

If you have fine hair, you could be over conditioned. You may want to incorporate a sulphate free shampoo into your routine (start at 1x a week) and see if that improves. If you like Deva, you could try the low poo. There are lots of others. Some of the more popular ones are jessicurl gentle lather shampoo, yes to cucumbers, and Shea moisture.

You could also need more protein in your routine. If your hair is fine or porous, this could be the case. if your hair is coarse, it probably doesnt need any. Do a search for the gelatin recipe. It's an easy DIY treatment that will at least let you know if protein is needed. Otherwise, you could purchase a protein rich conditioner and use it occasionally. I like CJ Repair Me but it's pricey, so maybe to experiment first you could use something cheaper. Ion effective care at Sally's is another cheap one.

You could have build up from something in the deva stuff you're using, hard water, etc. A clarifying wash may be in order. For clarifying, I personally use a sulphate shampoo and then follow with a deep treatment. I recently had this happen. It had been months since I had clarified, and my curls were just not acting right. I washed with a chelating shampoo to remove build up and hard water (I use Malibu C swimmers) and my curls came back to life.

My first step would be to low poo, then clarify with something stronger, then add protein, in that order, until you find what works.

Good luck!
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:16 PM   #3
 
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Clarify: maybe the Deva is building up since you are not cleansing as often as you are conditioning. You don't have to use sulphates, a non conditioning product rich in cocoamidopropyl betaine would do fine.
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Old 10-23-2013, 07:36 PM   #4
 
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Deva products built up on me pretty bad. For me it was the polyquats. The No Poo has p-7, and the low poo has p-7 and p-10. If you decide to low poo, I'd go with a different brand. My hair looked amazing when I started using their products, but after a month or so it went flat. It took me 2 sulfate clarifying washes (in the same session) to get all the gunk out. I wondered why the low poo wasn't working and my hair always felt like it was coated in something. Now that I've moved on, my hair has so much volume and soaks conditioner and protein up like crazy!
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:12 PM   #5
 
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1. A lot of people have problems with the polyquats in Deva products building up, and must use sulfates (sometimes more than once) to clarify. This may or may not be happening to you... something to keep an eye on.

If you're interested in cleansing conditioners I'd recommend this one: Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner | Curl Junkie | Curly Hair Products | Styling Products. It has c. betaine as the 5th ingredient, and is more cleansing than most other conditioners that can be used for cowashing. it also doesn't have any polyquats.

2. Definitely protein! If your hair is very fine, your RO should be protein-packed. You should also consider doing PTs, every other week to weekly. The protein-moisture balance thing is a key aspect of curly haircare. The "protein-craving" forum has lists of conditioners that are protein-packed. Check out my siggy; I'm using a lot of Giovanni SaS and I love it.

3. Some wavies and those with fine hair report they cannot cowash or cowash exclusively. I'd consider getting a low-poo.... one I like is YesToCucumbers (new, sulfate free formula). You may need to alternate cowashing and low-pooing... seeing what your hair responds to. There's nothing wrong if you can't cowash at all.... many of us low-poo regularly and don't cowash and still get very good results.

Hope this helps.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:15 AM   #6
 
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Thank you everyone for the great advice and the quick replies. I washed with a sulfate shampoo last night and my hair looks much better today. I guess the Devacurl products are not the best for fine hair. I'm glad I bought the small trial bottles!

I'll play around with the products suggested till I find what works for my hair. This website is a great resource, I'm so glad I found it.
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Old 10-27-2013, 08:24 AM   #7
 
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Just a chime in to say me too regarding build up from Deva products. I have tried several times and, although the first day is fine, if I use the low poo and gels again my hair is awful. I wish Deva would dump the polyquats. I know lots of people love it but so many other get limp, horrible results. Must be a texture thing.
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Old 10-27-2013, 05:13 PM   #8
 
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I use deva products and don't have any problem, so long as I clarify every once in a while and be sure I use protein frequently. I usually clarify 1x every 2 weeks or whenever I see my hair isn't as voluminous as I'd like it. I do use the low poo, though, not no poo, because my hair is so fine. I love this shampoo! I also add NPF to the one c (which I also LOVE) or to the b'leave'in. I have never been happier with my hair, but as I said, I do have to clarify every so often.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:19 PM   #9
 
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I'm new to the CG method. I'm new to this forum also, I've actually never posted on any forum. But I really need some help.

I have 2b-2c hair, very fine and somewhat thin. I have been using Devacurl no-poo and conditioner. I started using it 4 weeks ago. For the first 3 weeks or so my hair looked great! It had body (a first for me!), defined curls, and looked thicker than it ever had. But the last 4 days or so it's gone flat and limp. Hardly any curl.

I wash with the no-poo every 3 days or so, and use the conditioner every day. If I don't condition every day my hair gets pouffy and frizzy. I use a microfiber towel and don't dry it too much. My hair is pretty short, so I can't really "plop" it. I scrunch it the best I can. I haven't used a brush in years, and only comb it if it gets really tangled. Otherwise I use my fingers to detangle in the shower, and don't touch it otherwise.

Does anyone know what could cause the change? Any other products I should try? I'm really disappointed, I loved my hair for the first time in my life and now it's gone!
you could try (edible) Aloe Vere Gel as a leave-in. It balances pH and may give you the volume you're looking for and it's conditioning properties are amazing.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:01 PM   #10
 
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I love Deva, and often it makes my hair look fab (more so in the warmer months than in the cold), but I also use it in a rotation. I have problems with it if I use it all the time, endlessly. But that's really true of everything I use. My hair needs change I don't co-wash, but I do use the No Poo and CJ Daily Fix in rotation with some other low poos.
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