New Wavy, Need Help!

Hello!

After years of trying to convince myself that I have straight hair, I have found that I do not. I have 2A-2B, low porosity (color treated), high density, fine-med width and medium length hair.

I no longer want to fight with my hair dryer or straightener any more, because, plain and simple, it takes too long, it's a pain and it never looks good, anyway. Plus, my 5 year old daughter has beautiful curly hair and I don't want her to watch me fighting the nature of my hair for fear she will do the same thing.

I bought "Curly Girl" and some of the Deva Curl products - No Poo and the One Condition. I also have the light and ultra defining gels, and the hair spray. I also bought a Wen knockoff called Ren, as well as Salon Grafix Conditioning Cleanser.

I am using a microfiber towel to squeeze water out of my hair, and I scrunch in either the gel or the leave-in conditioner. I have tried clipping the hair at the crown (a la Curly Girl) and I have tried not clipping it. I have tried going several days between washings or washing every day. I have tried the hair spray

The bottom line is that my hair just always looks messy. Whether I clip or not, my crown usually has frizz to it, despite not really having any lift at the top. Whether I use gel or not, the bottom half really almost looks like it needs to be washed - even on the days I do wash it.

Not ONE person has said anything about my hair - and someone at work put a mirror on my desk - not looking too good for me!

Anyway, my hope is that someone has worked out the solution to something similar, because I really don't want to go back to the heat tools. But I also want hair that doesn't look like I just got out of bed.

Any help you can give me would be HIGHLY appreciated!

Thanks,
Erin
aka lotusblossom5
I'm sure lots of people will have great suggestions for you, here's mine. Did you use a silicone free sulfate shampoo before starting to make sure you had a fresh start? Also, how did you determine your porosity? From the basics I know, it's a bit unusual to have low porosity hair if it's also color treated. Best of luck, and I'm confident you can get your hair looking lovely soon.
2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
Welcome, Lotusbloosom5! Glad that you are trying to encourage the next generation of curl lovers!

I started embracing my 2B/2C waves last May and started by using Deva Curl products only too. At first, my hair did look worse. I had halo and evil spider frizz for over two months. My hair did start to settle after awhile.

I agree that you should try clarifying first to remove any build up and then deep condition. It is possible your hair isn't reacting to some ingredient in the deva products. You may need to experiment with other products.

Welcome again to the great curly journey!
Did you use a silicone free sulfate shampoo before starting to make sure you had a fresh start? Also, how did you determine your porosity?
Originally Posted by SereneCurls
Thank you for replying. I sort of jumped right in to the sulfate free/silicon free shampoo at the same time I stopped doing the styling.

Also, regarding the porosity, I did the float test advocated by the site - I put a couple of my hairs in my filled bathroom sink and they were still floating after 5 minutes. I don't know if hard water makes a difference, but we have very hard water where I live. I agree - I would not expect color treated hair to have low porosity.

I will keep at it - thanks for the encouragement!
I agree that you should try clarifying first to remove any build up and then deep condition.
Originally Posted by mandymae
Ahh - I think I misread the other post - no, I didn't specifically get a clarifying sulfate shampoo that was silicone free. I will give that a try and see how it goes. Thanks for the suggestion!!
So I just looked up clarifying on here and I realized that I forgot that before I went on the Deva Curl stuff, I did the baking soda wash/apple cider vinegar rinse three or four times with several days in between each time. Should I specifically get a sulfate clarifying shampoo?
So I just looked up clarifying on here and I realized that I forgot that before I went on the Deva Curl stuff, I did the baking soda wash/apple cider vinegar rinse three or four times with several days in between each time. Should I specifically get a sulfate clarifying shampoo?
Originally Posted by lotusblossom5
If you did the baking soda/apple cider vinegar treatment, you should be back at base zero. It is possible that your hair needs a low-poo more consistently than just a co-wash (which is what no-poo is). Many of the type 2s have a hard time strictly doing a co-wash. The deva line does have a low-poo (called low-poo). Also, many people (including myself) are fond of Yes to Cucumbers.
I washed with a sulfate clarifying shampoo and then followed up with Curly Girl's Deep Pack Chakra protein treatment. I then washed with the Low Poo and conditioned with the One Condition (each twice, because it was definitely in need of conditioning!). It's not dry yet, but it sure seems to be in much better shape. I don't know if it is the clarifying or the low poo, but I think I'm on my way! Thanks to both of you for helping me get started!!
So I just looked up clarifying on here and I realized that I forgot that before I went on the Deva Curl stuff, I did the baking soda wash/apple cider vinegar rinse three or four times with several days in between each time. Should I specifically get a sulfate clarifying shampoo?
Originally Posted by lotusblossom5
If you did the baking soda/apple cider vinegar treatment, you should be back at base zero. It is possible that your hair needs a low-poo more consistently than just a co-wash (which is what no-poo is). Many of the type 2s have a hard time strictly doing a co-wash. The deva line does have a low-poo (called low-poo). Also, many people (including myself) are fond of Yes to Cucumbers.
Originally Posted by mandymae
If you ever need to clarify silicones, you don't need a sulfate poo. A low-poo with coco betaine or cocamidopropyl betaine will break down cones... the low-poo would still be gentle & CG compatible so you're not "starting over" if you use a c. betaine low-poo. Some examples are YesToCucumbers (new formulation), the Giovanni poos, Original Sprout Natural Shampoo.... I'm sure there's tons of other ones, not a bad thing to have on hand.

Baking soda/apple cider vinegar rinses do not break down silicones.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
If you ever need to clarify silicones, you don't need a sulfate poo. A low-poo with coco betaine or cocamidopropyl betaine will break down cones... the low-poo would still be gentle & CG compatible so you're not "starting over" if you use a c. betaine low-poo. Some examples are YesToCucumbers (new formulation), the Giovanni poos, Original Sprout Natural Shampoo...
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Thanks for the info on what's necessary to break down the silicones, as well as the product suggestions. Dummy me, when I bought the clarifying shampoo, I didn't ask about sulfates because I was in a hurry to get out. So, I have a bottle of shampoo that probably will not get used again.

Anyway, I'm not overly upset about starting over - it's only been maybe about 6 weeks since I started my journey and today is the first day that it looked decent. It actually seemed soft and non-frizzy.

I've been looking for the Y2C and haven't had a lot of luck - always sold out - which, if there is a new formulation, it just may not have been delivered yet. So, at least I have a couple of options for the time being.

Do most people stick to one product or mix it up?

Also - regarding hair coloring - I am starting to realize how much grey I actually have - is there any issue with henna for curly hair? Or is there another natural dye that works well? I have tried super strong coffee (with sage and rosemary, for good measure) and the color didn't hold worth a hoot. I've also heard that black walnut powder works well.

I am very happy that I finally joined naturallycurly.com - in 36 hours, the information that you all have given definitely have put my feet on firmer ground (I couldn't think of an analogy regarding hair!). Thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU!!
Most of the Ren cleansing cos have silicones. Amodimethicone, specifically. You'll need to ditch that, and clarify again to remove the cones, and start over if you truly want to go CG.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Using a very diluted bit of clarifying is something I do often. I actually had gone to that before realizing I was wavy.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Most of the Ren cleansing cos have silicones. Amodimethicone, specifically. You'll need to ditch that, and clarify again to remove the cones, and start over if you truly want to go CG.
Originally Posted by chloe92us
Thanks - when I bought it, I wasn't even aware of the silicone issue. I can say that I didn't like how my hair looked, so I have no problem ditching it! I have a friend (with straight hair) who uses WEN, so I will give it to her.
I want to thank all of you for getting me off on the right foot. After clarifying (albeit with a sulfate clarifying shampoo and starting over), I am washing with a low-poo shampoo (of course, sulfate and silicone free) and conditioning. I have Deva Curl products that I am trying out and I have bought the Yes to Cucumbers and used that today - I really like the Y2C! I also am awaiting sample orders from Jessicurl and from Curls (professional grade). At this point, I am going to mix and match and see what my hair likes best.

I have to say that after doing the clarifying and the Deep Pack Chakra protein treatment, my hair has been much softer and doesn't anywhere nearly have the "bedhead" effect that it had before.

There will still be some transition ahead, plus I really need to get my hair trimmed. But at least I feel like I am now in the correct hemisphere, let alone, ballpark regarding my hair!

I am very glad that I came upon this website. Hopefully, as I become more knowledgeable about my own hair I can help others, as well.

Thanks again!!!

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