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Old 11-04-2013, 12:03 PM   #1
 
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Hi! So my hair varies between a 2a-2c... I'll try to find some pics. It's straight on the top and wavy/curly on the bottom. I can blowdry it out but it always looks super dry and frizzy when I did that (I haven't blowdried really since I worked 3.5 years ago). It's very fine and tends to get oily and look very stringy all the time. To combat that I stopped using conditioner since my last pregnancy (daughter is 17 months old now). I used a lot of ponytails. I just realized my hair looks awful - dry, straw-like, no curl at all. And that's when I came across CG and I started reading about moisture. Whoops. My hair is also curlier on one side than the other, which drives me crazy. One side also always flicks out while the other flicks in so my head looks funny.

Once upon a time when I was much younger and hadn't been through pregnancy:





This is what is *possible* with my hair... I have no idea how I did this, maybe my hair dresser used the diffuser that day? I certainly can't get this air-drying.



And this is me last week when I realized my hair needs some serious help. Dry and flat.




So now I'm a wee bit overwhelmed! I am aiming to still use shampoo, but a sulfate-free one. (I often have used the L'Oreal lines in the past, I like them, I currently have on hand the EverPure shampoo and am finishing it.) I started using conditioner again. I went out and bought Tresemme Flawless Curls Conditioner and was AMAZED by how soft my hair felt! And then I realized it had silicones in it. I also got some of the L'Oreal EverCurl Conditioner but it feels not nearly as soft and lovely in my hair, though it does give my hair some more curl.

I bought the GVP conditioning balm for my hair to deep condition. I think I need to do a protein treatment. But all this talk of a conditioner, leave-in, curl cream, gel... that seems like a LOT of stuff to put in my fine hair. Do you really need all of that for wavy hair?? I want a good conditioner that helps with moisture and detangling and leaves my hair feeling soft. Then some kind of milk or cream for curl definition? There's SO many options and it seems like a lot of them work great on really curly hair but are too heavy for wavy hair. I don't like crunch at all, I don't like feeling at all product-y. Most stuff I have tried leaves my hair stringy very quickly, and I HATE that.

The most frustrating part is that it really seems like you just have to try stuff and see what works and a lot of these products that get fantastic reviews are so not cheap to try unless it's REALLY going to work well. I have no issue spending $20 on a cream that's fantastic; I have a lot of issue buying 3 different $20 creams and not really being in love!

My goals right now:
- buy some of the Suave Naturals Coconut conditioner to try, since it's cheap.
- do a protein treatment
- figure out what kind of curl cream to try (too many choices!) - I'm thinking of the Shea Moisture Conditioning Milk?
- Use either the L'Oreal EverCreme or the SheaMoisture shampoo when mine runs out
- get a hair cut! I haven't seen my hair stylist since, um, over 2 years ago. (I've gotten a couple of trims since then, but that's it.)

Sorry this is so long! Any advice you have, product recommendations for wavies, observations about my hair... whatever. Help!

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Old 11-04-2013, 12:35 PM   #2
 
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Here is a fantastic cheap PT recipe:

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I've used it, but with my coarse hair I don't use it anymore.

I really like the Yes to Cucumbers Color Protection sulfate free shampoo (make sure you get the sulfate free one).

My hair likes the Suave conditioners. Unfortunately, my skin does not, so I don't use them anymore. A great deep conditioner, if your hair needs it, is to start with a basic cheap conditioner and add to it. I add a tablespoon each of honey and coconut oil and leave it on my hair for an hour.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:07 PM   #3
 
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If your hair is not coarse, I think a protein treatment would be very beneficial. My hair gets flat without it, as I don't get much protein in my diet (working on that).

Do you know your hair properties? That would be the first step, before buying products that may or may not work. If you have fine hair, the SM might be a bit too heavy, but if you have medium or coarse hair it may work wonders. It's a good product.

Don't go too overboard with products. For me personally, I find less to be more with quality products. And by quality products, I don't mean "expensive" or "natural", I mean quality as in being exactly what your hair needs.

The gelatin PT is great, and I also am in love with CJ Repair Me. Komaza has some excellent leave ins that are doing wonders for the dryness of my hair. I tried everything under the sun, and now my search is over Those are my recommendations.

Also, my hair does the same, flips out on one side and flips in on another - super annoying!!! I have to manually flip out my other side sometimes.
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Here is a fantastic cheap PT recipe:

Science-y Hair Blog: Recipes and Projects

I've used it, but with my coarse hair I don't use it anymore.

I really like the Yes to Cucumbers Color Protection sulfate free shampoo (make sure you get the sulfate free one).

My hair likes the Suave conditioners. Unfortunately, my skin does not, so I don't use them anymore. A great deep conditioner, if your hair needs it, is to start with a basic cheap conditioner and add to it. I add a tablespoon each of honey and coconut oil and leave it on my hair for an hour.
I think I'm going to try that, although I'm tempted to just buy something to use straight out of a bottle. I am lazy. -.-

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If your hair is not coarse, I think a protein treatment would be very beneficial. My hair gets flat without it, as I don't get much protein in my diet (working on that).

Do you know your hair properties? That would be the first step, before buying products that may or may not work. If you have fine hair, the SM might be a bit too heavy, but if you have medium or coarse hair it may work wonders. It's a good product.

Don't go too overboard with products. For me personally, I find less to be more with quality products. And by quality products, I don't mean "expensive" or "natural", I mean quality as in being exactly what your hair needs.

The gelatin PT is great, and I also am in love with CJ Repair Me. Komaza has some excellent leave ins that are doing wonders for the dryness of my hair. I tried everything under the sun, and now my search is over Those are my recommendations.
Oh yeah I forgot to mention it! My hair is very fine. Before reading about CG I never ever thought about protein with my hair. It's always been flat and limp.
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Old 11-04-2013, 01:19 PM   #5
 
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Fine hair does excellent with protein, so I would highly recommend some protein treatments! I would start off with 1 per week and go from there by how your hair is waving/curling and feeling. If you're doing too many, you will know by your hair feeling dry or straw-like. Although, PTs on top of buildup can give the same feeling, so I tend to do my PTs after clarifying or low pooing.
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I'm definitely going to have to try a PT! Fingers crossed my hair is lovely afterward.
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Let us know how it turns out!
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If you liked the tresemme conditioner with cones, try the tresemme "naturals"- there are two varieties I think - lots of people really like them and they do not have silicones.
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Okay so I did the gelatin protein treatment tonight! My hair is super soft and... curls are pretty much non-existent. Err, what is up with that? The last couple times I showered I used either the Tresemme Curls Conditioner or the L'Oreal EverCurl and both left me with a pretty decent curl when dry. Tonight I used my new L'Oreal EverCream Shampoo (instead of the EverPure I had been using - the EverCream smells DELICIOUS), did the protein therapy and left it for about 10 minutes, then rinsed and used the EverCurl conditioner. It was curly when wet, then air-dried totally blah.

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I keep reading that the new formula for the Tresemme Naturals Conditioner has changed and the new one sucks! I'm kind of scared to try it. It's cheap but I'm going to have to start hiding all these un-used bottles from my husband, ha.
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If you have low porosity hair, there are some things (like protein treatments and deep conditioning) that may not do much for your hair. Curly Chic: Low Porosity and Length Retention - Guest Blogger, Adrienne

I've been CG for nearly 2 years, having started mod CG in Dec 2011, and never done a DT/PT because my hair is low porosity and very healthy. Even too much protein in my products and conditioners can make my hair soft and the curls limp. So that should save you time and money too

I also would go to the drug store and buy a cheap gel, like Herbal Essence Set Me Up, if you want the curls you have in one of your pictures. My hair goes from a 2a to a 2c with styling products. Some gel or mousse can make a big difference. Play with the amounts and how wet your hair is when you put the gel in to get the right combination for no crunch. Also rememer that most crunch will come out with some light scrunching after your hair is dry. So don't that scare you off. Here is an example - the left picture is just washed and conditioned, combed and air dried; right is with gel and diffused.



I've not bought a product that costs more than $15, most are $1-5, and I'm very happy most days with my hair. I have 2 small kids too, so I know about those restrictions. You don't have to invest a lot of money, it's more time and patience finding out what techniques work best for you hair. GL!
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I know you say you don't like gel but I use a homemade flax seed gel and it works wonderful. Our hair seems similar. I have super fine hair, most things weigh it down.
There are some super simple recipes for the gel on here if you search or there are a few sellers on etsy that make some for people. You could aslo try jessiecurl as those gels are flax based.
I find with the flax gel I don't need a leave-in before the gel. I use Lush's R & B leave-in on my hands to scrunch out the crunch. The Lush leave-in isn't cheap but it last forever with fine hair because you use very little. If you don't live near a Lush you can buy it online too.
I was putting a thin layer of coconut oil on my hands to scrunch out the crunch but it was too heavy for my hair.
As for deep conditioning, I like to use warm coconut oil, while avoiding my scalp. I too got super oily throughout my two pregnancies. My scalp is recovering, youngest is 12 months, but I keep all oils and conditioners as far away from my scalp as possible.
I find diffusing just turns my waves into a frizzy mess. Flax seed gel and air drying work best for me. It takes forever but I'm always happier than when I try to diffuse.

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If you have low porosity hair, there are some things (like protein treatments and deep conditioning) that may not do much for your hair. Curly Chic: Low Porosity and Length Retention - Guest Blogger, Adrienne

I've been CG for nearly 2 years, having started mod CG in Dec 2011, and never done a DT/PT because my hair is low porosity and very healthy. Even too much protein in my products and conditioners can make my hair soft and the curls limp. So that should save you time and money too

I also would go to the drug store and buy a cheap gel, like Herbal Essence Set Me Up, if you want the curls you have in one of your pictures. My hair goes from a 2a to a 2c with styling products. Some gel or mousse can make a big difference. Play with the amounts and how wet your hair is when you put the gel in to get the right combination for no crunch. Also rememer that most crunch will come out with some light scrunching after your hair is dry. So don't that scare you off. Here is an example - the left picture is just washed and conditioned, combed and air dried; right is with gel and diffused.



I've not bought a product that costs more than $15, most are $1-5, and I'm very happy most days with my hair. I have 2 small kids too, so I know about those restrictions. You don't have to invest a lot of money, it's more time and patience finding out what techniques work best for you hair. GL!
Oh... I never even thought of that! I haven't dyed my hair in probably 8 years, only did it a couple of times in college. My hair is pretty healthy I would say... split ends and dry and limp, but it doesn't really frizz much at all. That makes total sense that I wouldn't necessarily get much benefit from treatments like that. Not that I'm 100% sure it's low porosity, but that's the vibe I get from it.

I didn't realize that the gel crunch comes out with scrunching until coming to this forum. I don't know why I never knew that! I suppose I will have to try it once I figure out the shampoo and conditioner situation. At the very least it would be nice to have something for special ocassions!

Time and patience... now that's the hard part! lol!


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I know you say you don't like gel but I use a homemade flax seed gel and it works wonderful. Our hair seems similar. I have super fine hair, most things weigh it down.
There are some super simple recipes for the gel on here if you search or there are a few sellers on etsy that make some for people. You could aslo try jessiecurl as those gels are flax based.
I find with the flax gel I don't need a leave-in before the gel. I use Lush's R & B leave-in on my hands to scrunch out the crunch. The Lush leave-in isn't cheap but it last forever with fine hair because you use very little. If you don't live near a Lush you can buy it online too.
I was putting a thin layer of coconut oil on my hands to scrunch out the crunch but it was too heavy for my hair.
As for deep conditioning, I like to use warm coconut oil, while avoiding my scalp. I too got super oily throughout my two pregnancies. My scalp is recovering, youngest is 12 months, but I keep all oils and conditioners as far away from my scalp as possible.
I find diffusing just turns my waves into a frizzy mess. Flax seed gel and air drying work best for me. It takes forever but I'm always happier than when I try to diffuse.

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That sounds a lot like my hair! I hate how oily my head can get sometimes and it definitely gets very weighed down with too much or the wrong type of product. I think the EverCreme is not going to work for me for that reason (major bummer, it smells so so good). And yes, any kind of heat makes my hair unhappy... I've always preferred to air dry. I'll have to look up those gel recipes! I'll make a note that flax is a good one to try.
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But all this talk of a conditioner, leave-in, curl cream, gel... that seems like a LOT of stuff to put in my fine hair. Do you really need all of that for wavy hair??
I think it depends on your porosity and texture. When I started CG, I used two products: Suave Naturals Conditioner for cowashing and conditioning, and Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel.

I have low porosity hair and medium texture though, so I don't always need a leave in (they usually just make hair look greasy and dirty) and haven't had the need to try any protein treatments.

I think you need three main products, at least to start: something to wash your hair with, a conditioner (some people use the same product for both rinse out and leave-in, or skip the LI), and a styling product. Once you play with those and figure out what you like, you'll be able to better see if you need additional products.
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But all this talk of a conditioner, leave-in, curl cream, gel... that seems like a LOT of stuff to put in my fine hair. Do you really need all of that for wavy hair??
I think it depends on your porosity and texture. When I started CG, I used two products: Suave Naturals Conditioner for cowashing and conditioning, and Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Gel.

I have low porosity hair and medium texture though, so I don't always need a leave in (they usually just make hair look greasy and dirty) and haven't had the need to try any protein treatments.

I think you need three main products, at least to start: something to wash your hair with, a conditioner (some people use the same product for both rinse out and leave-in, or skip the LI), and a styling product. Once you play with those and figure out what you like, you'll be able to better see if you need additional products.
Okay, I'll try to find a gel that works for me. I assume I would have the same issue with a leave-in, since that's pretty much always the reaction if I use anything on my hair that doesn't rinse out. Looks heavy and greasy and yuck.


So to update, I bought the Yes To Cucumbers shampoo and conditioner because it seems to work for a lot of fine hair wavys. It, umm, made my hair look TERRIBLE. It didn't detangle very well and then when it dried... well it looked and felt like I hadn't washed my hair in 5 days. What the heck? So far the conditioner that has felt the best on my hair and given the most curl is the Tressemme Curls, which is not CG. I am amassing a small graveyard collection of conditioners and shampoos in my closet.
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I am amassing a small graveyard collection of conditioners and shampoos in my closet.
See if a women's shelter will take them!
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I started off with 3 items: DevaCare Low-Poo, DevCare One Condition (super moisturizing without being greasy), and Deva Arc Angell gel. Used those three until I saw improvement in the health of my hair (softer, less frizz, fewer tangles, etc), then began experimenting. They're pricey, but for me it was worth it so that I wasn't overwhelmed while I learned about various products and techniques.
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