Well, I get married in ten days and I need good hair.

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So. I've been doing CG since the last week of October, only co-washing through then until today (I used a shampoo that was supposedly sulfate free, but then I noticed the formula contains ammonium lauryl sulfate, so RAAAWR rage. Producers changing formulas sucks. Anyway, luckily I diluted it 1:1 with a good conditioner...)

Anyway, point is. My hair is curlier than wavier, I fight a constant battle with dryness no matter how much conditioner I use (at least, ever since I stopped using cones and other awful ingredients), it's shoulder length because I chopped off most of my chemical damage (I have like a 1/4 inch of lighter ends left, but it's sort of pretty). It loves protein because I used to straighten it once every six, seven days after each wash so it's pretty porous, I also use henna which is a PT on its own, and maybe don't do enough DTs but I'm not sure that is the issue because I use plenty of leave-in and everything else.

I live in italy, so we don't have all your beautiful products here. :C as a co-wash I use Schwarzkopf's Supreme Volume conditioner, it has protein in it and I luves it. I also used Garnier Fructis Fruity Passion, but it's gone and I'm not sure I'll rebuy. As a leave-in I either use the same conditioner again or my DT in smaller quantities. It's so thick I also sometimes use it on my damp hair before I apply gel because it seems to hold the curl shape better than runnier products. After those two, I scrunch in argan oil and diffuse a bit, then let air dry.

I don't really know what's wrong but in the last couple of weeks my hair's been drier than since I started the CG method, and since on the 20th I get married and don't really have decent hairstylists around here I want to help my hair get pretty again in time. :/

Any suggestions? Not really products-wise since I probably wouldn't have them here, just ingredient and/or treatments I can do.

Thanks a lot, curlies. <3
A 2C, hopefully something more as my hair gets redefined. Lots of chemical/heat damage to get rid of! Currently at shoulder length, aiming for mid-back.

(Any HtBlack you find anywhere on the internet is most likely always moi! :3)
Clarify and chelate.

Do not mix shampoo and conditioner, the anionics and cationics especially can combine and cause build up. There might be cetyl esters in the Garnier Fructis - these are a wax so not water soluble and not necessarily compatible with co-washing so again can build up.

Protein can also build up and dry out the hair if overused: the protein in that Schwarzkopf conditioner is modified to be highly substantive (sticky). I cannot use as much in the current weather/ humidity/ dew points as earlier in the year.

Aside from that you may simply need patience. Damaged hair cannot be permanently repaired, you may have to grow out the remainder to get great hair.

If you think you have porous hair you might try a couple of overnight deep treatments with coconut oil on dry hair.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Henna is not a protein treatment BTW and can cause some people's hair to feel dry.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Its INCI is: Aqua, cetearyl alcohol, elaeis guineensis oil/palm oil, behentrimonium chloride, niacinamide, cocos nucifera oil/coconut oil, saccharum officinarum extract/sugar cane extract, stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, chlorhexidinedigluconate, limonene, camellia sinensis leaf extract, linalool, cinnamyl alcohol, isopropyl alcohol, pyrus malus extract/apple fruit extract, pyrodoxine hcl, passiflora edulis fruit juice, bisabolol, citric acid, citronellol, citrus medica limonum peel extract/lemon peel extract, glycerin, parfum/fragrance.
Unfortunately, I don't know how to recognise wax esters. Could you shed some light on that?

Also. The cetearyl alcohol might be an issue? It's in the Schwarzkopf conditioner too on second place, and in pretty much any other product I have found around here, either that or stearyl. I have kept off buying stuff online because I always think "what if it doesn't work for me and I wasted my money", but it's becoming more obvious that maybe I should start...

Yeah, henna isn't exactly a protein treatment, but it ACTS like one, doesn't it? Fills the gaps in the hair shaft, bonds to the keratin, all that. It even has the end result of making my hair feel a bit stiff, so it does feel similar to it.

Also... I know "chelate" has something to do with things like tetrasodium EDTA, but I don't know much about it. I'll look into it.

Last thing: to clarify, could I do a baking soda/vinegar rinse or do I need a proper low-poo? I have L'Oreal EverStrong among my products, left from when I was in the States some time ago but it does have some iffy stuff in it. Should I get something different to clarify?

My hair SURELY needs to grow out in order to be great again, I agree. It's not even very damaged, just feeling dry,although soft to the touch, or at least all apart from the canopy - that is just dry period. And I don't want to have to straighten it on my wedding in order to have decent hair pictures... :/

Thanks a lot for your help. <3
A 2C, hopefully something more as my hair gets redefined. Lots of chemical/heat damage to get rid of! Currently at shoulder length, aiming for mid-back.

(Any HtBlack you find anywhere on the internet is most likely always moi! :3)
Cetyl esters are just labelled 'cetyl esters'. We don't have the Fructis formulas with palm oil any more in the UK (nor in the US I think) so I am jealous!!

Cetearyl alcohol is a fatty alcohol or conditioning agent/ emollient, unlikely to build up and absolutely desirable in a conditioner.

To chelate you want a chelating shampoo or swimmers shampoo. EDTA is one chelant of many, and you usually need two or three at the right concentration to remove mineral build up. These products will often double up as clarifying.

To clarify you want a shampoo that is rich in a potent surfactant such as a sulphate, olefin sulfonate or cocoamidopropyl betaine. Ideally it would be clear/ non conditioning, many low poos would be unsuitable. If you don't want to make a special purchase you might be able to use a body wash or suchlike.

Baking soda is alkaline so very harsh on acidic skin and hair, personally I'd never use or recommend it.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
XD me and my chemistry fixation. I thought they would be labelled with their specific names, not just cetyl esters! So silly. :'D
Wow, that's the first time I hear someone jealous of our products! We just have so little choice... seriously, I was at our Sally's kind of store yesterday and I read the label of EVERY shampoo. Literally only one had no harsh sulfates! And two chelating agents, but at very low concentration. :/ how high up in the list do you think the chelants should be?

I have a mild delicate shampoo I can use and also a harsher one if needed! My bathroom is really covered in products only half used. >.>

Gotcha, no baking soda! (: thanks for the great help here and in other threads of mine too. <3

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A 2C, hopefully something more as my hair gets redefined. Lots of chemical/heat damage to get rid of! Currently at shoulder length, aiming for mid-back.

(Any HtBlack you find anywhere on the internet is most likely always moi! :3)
I guess by now you're probably on your honeymoon but I wanted to know how your hair turned out! Hopefully it went very well. Congratulations!

Rethinking all my products currently. Went back to sulfates and have been doing pretty well since I cut most of my damage out. My porosity has lowered and my hair is more consistent.
Shampoo (gasp): Suave Ocean Breeze
Condish: Mostly Suave Coconut(diluted with water), going through old conditioners to see what might work: GVPCB, Jessicurl Aloeba
PT: Not needed much anymore!
Styler: LALSG, FSG


Go Red WIngs!
It was great! I was so happy. :') and the hair... well: I tried clarifying with a regular shampoo but it was too harsh, so I went and looked for a low-poo. I found what we call an oil shampoo, it was the only low poo there was...
And it's doing the trick. I also switched conditioners and DT which seems to be helping lots. My hair is much curlier and today I had 4th day hair that was clumpy and awesome!

My hair before wasn't looking dirty, it was just less curly. And now it's much better, so I'm really happy. (: alsooo...
Awww the photographer we had made such lovely pictures. I keep staring at the ones he put on his Facebook. The day was so amazing. I'm really happy.

Thanks so much! <3

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A 2C, hopefully something more as my hair gets redefined. Lots of chemical/heat damage to get rid of! Currently at shoulder length, aiming for mid-back.

(Any HtBlack you find anywhere on the internet is most likely always moi! :3)

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