2b waves always straighten out

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I'll try to keep this short. I use L'oreals sulfate free line (which probably isn't the best, but it's better than nothing I guess). I've tried a lot of different mousses/gels/creams (mostly from the drugstore) and none of them hold my waves like they should. My friend suggested I wasn't using enough product and so I used more of my Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Mousse than what I normally would and it left my hair pretty much straight with a slight bend. I think I have low porosity hair because when I run my fingers up a strand it squeaks, but very quietly. My hair is pretty much normal thickness, maybe a little on the thin side and it's really long. I've tried cutting it and it really doesn't make a difference. No matter what product I use or how much I use my hair with straighten out a lot. The bottom layer always ends up almost completely straight by the time is dries.I've tried diffusing but it just makes my hair frizzy, and I've tried piling up my hair on top of my head and tying a pillowcase around my head so my curls will stay scrunched, but that doesn't work either. Any ideas??
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I'll try to keep this short. I use L'oreals sulfate free line (which probably isn't the best, but it's better than nothing I guess). I've tried a lot of different mousses/gels/creams (mostly from the drugstore) and none of them hold my waves like they should. My friend suggested I wasn't using enough product and so I used more of my Herbal Essences Totally Twisted Mousse than what I normally would and it left my hair pretty much straight with a slight bend. I think I have low porosity hair because when I run my fingers up a strand it squeaks, but very quietly. My hair is pretty much normal thickness, maybe a little on the thin side and it's really long. I've tried cutting it and it really doesn't make a difference. No matter what product I use or how much I use my hair with straighten out a lot. The bottom layer always ends up almost completely straight by the time is dries.I've tried diffusing but it just makes my hair frizzy, and I've tried piling up my hair on top of my head and tying a pillowcase around my head so my curls will stay scrunched, but that doesn't work either. Any ideas??
Originally Posted by brittany0859
Mine strethc out a lot a lot a lot (2a/b occasionally). I will not get much curl without diffusing. Flax seed gel is great but in general to get spiraling I need some harder hold gel over it. Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee is a 2's saving grace. A lot of 2's use Volumax from Sally's the Mega Hold, or Aussie gel (I think it's Instant Freeze?). They are thick, but you can water them down a bit, or mix them into your middle layer gel. How do you diffuse? Is your bowl deep? It needs to be a deep diffuser, not a flat one. And do you pixie diffuse? I show you how I diffuse in my recent 2nd day hair video. Second Day Wavy Routine - YouTube

or you might be interested in trying some MAP method from Scott Musgrave Scott Musgrave MAP Technique - YouTube
Someone more knowledgeable will chime in but it sounds like you need more moisture and possibly a protein treatment and/or a deep treatment. A good conditioner that works for a lot of people is gvp conditioning balm from Sally's - it is a knock off of biolage conditioning balm. Its great for a conditioner, leave in conditioner, or deep treatment. I have not found the Loreal sulfate-free line to be very moisturizing or conditioning. If you have finer hair you might need a protein treatment too. I don't have any recommendations except the ion reconstruct or or a lighter one is the ion effective care, both from Sally's.

Also layers in your long hair will free up some of the weight that may be straightening your waves.
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2b/c, medium-coarse, high-density, medium-porosity, CG since 2011.
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RO: Yes to Cucumbers, GVPCB, Tresemme Naturals
LI: GVP CB, Yes to Cucumbers
Sealant: Argan, Grapeseed, Apricot Kernal (still working on it)
Styler: GF Pure Clean, HETT, Volumax
DT: Ion Effective Care, GVPCB, Yes to Cucumbers

Experimenting with Curly Kinks ReNew, Coil Jam and Satin Roots. Also FSG.
Ditch the Loreal for sure. It made my hair flat. I use Nature's Gate shampoo and conditioner and it's much thicker and curlier in 2 weeks. In this dry time I still have flatter days but overall much curlier - went from 2A to 2B/C
I second ditching the L'Oreal line. If you'd like a drugstore replacement, I've been using Yes to Cucumbers color protection shampoo and conditioner and it works pretty well for me. For product, I use flax seed gel and will sometimes top with Aussie Instant Freeze gel. The thing to remember with the Aussie is that it contains a polyquat that can build up, so using a good low poo is essential if you use AIF on a regular basis. I like AIF in the winter because there's no glycerin in it. Glycerin and the super low dews here in the winter don't mix well, leaving my hair very flat and a lot less curly.
Hair Properties: 2A/2B, Medium-fine, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, Medium density
Low Poo: DevaCare, Yes to Cuc's
Rinse Out: DevaCare One Condition, Yes to Cuc's
Cowash: Suave Naturals Lavender, Yes to Carrots Scalp Conditioner
Curl Cream: AG ReCoil, Organix Moroccan Oil Curl Cream
Gel/Mousse: Sweet Curls Elixirs FSG w/ Mag Sulfate added, Sweet Curls Elixirs hard hold gel, DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam, Aquage Uplifting Foam
Protein: Spiral Solutions Protein Spray for daily use
Ditch the Loreal for sure. It made my hair flat. I use Nature's Gate shampoo and conditioner and it's much thicker and curlier in 2 weeks. In this dry time I still have flatter days but overall much curlier - went from 2A to 2B/C
Originally Posted by Ladida
I second Nature's Gate! It's good stuff..made my hair so moisturized.
I second all the advice you've been given so far, for sure. In general a mousse is not going to give as much definition as a gel. I'm a wavy, too, and like Chupie suggested, I use FSG and BRHG in combo. I get great spirals and good hold. Also I find that I get better shaped curls if I wash upside down and diffuse upside down, too. I don't think it's the upside down part, I think it's that I wash/scrunch/diffuse in the same way so the shape doesn't get mussed.


Low-poo: Looking for a new one.
Condish: V05 Tea Therapy, Body Shop Banana
Leave in: Giovanni Direct Leave In
PT: My hair needs very little. I use Suave Naturals Coconut when I need a little bit and follow up with a moisturizing conditioner.
Styler: Giovanni LA

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I have to say, though I need to use it with something like FSG, the AG Mousse Gel is bumping my wave up really well.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I'm just going to throw it out there that you may not have 2b waves if they always "fall out." My 2b waves always "bounce up" even when I try to blow dry straight-ish.

There's really nothing wrong with 2a hair. It's quite beautiful and it seems like maybe you're trying to work against your natural pattern? I'm not telling how to wear your hair, I'm just saying if you're having continual difficulty it may be because you're more 2a than 2b. You may get better results if you treat it as such.

Having said that, I have a mix of 2a-2c: mostly 2b toward the back, 2c canopy and under-layer, 2a front mid-layer. It's a hodge-podge.

I get full 2c results all over when I've used Volumax Mega, Ouidad Climate Control or FSG with protein & honey and diffused. Protein, mag-sulfate, diffusing and hard hold gels are things that are going to help boost wave.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

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