2a/2b fine, medium porosity hair...defining recommendations?

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I do great with LA looks, but I don't like how crunchy it looks even if I break the cast. Any softer recs? What have you had success with?
Miss Jessie's Jelly Soft Curls is nice for a less crunchy hold.
2b/2c ( weather permitting - 3a), fine texture but lots of it, colored and highlights, BSL.
Experimenting w CG since Oct 2012

Current rotation:
cowash= TN
AG Gel Mousse, LA Gel,
DT = Coconut oil (love)
FSG, CJ ciab, uncle funkys' daughter curly magic... There's a jelly gel thread and any of those may be good options for you.

Work on getting bigger clumps that may give you the result you seek.

With some of the jelly-gels you can also finger comb for a softer look.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
How do you get bigger clumps? I only finger comb in the shower when it's sopping wet and full of conditioner, however, the top layer looks very "perm" ala 1992 and the underside gets this nice thing ringlets. Is there a way to encourage the top to not be so separated?
How do you put the product in your hair? I think the method in which you apply it can really change things
3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity.

Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: SM Coconut & Hibiscus shampoo / ElastaQP Créme Conditioning shampoo
Conditioner:
ORS Olive Oil Replenishing Conditioner
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity


UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
I put it in when sopping wet and scrunch up with a microfiber cloth. I have tried then to plop, but I am a huge plopping failure.
I put it in when sopping wet and scrunch up with a microfiber cloth. I have tried then to plop, but I am a huge plopping failure.
Originally Posted by dixiebuckeye
You can see some different techniques here on my Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ
How do you get bigger clumps? I only finger comb in the shower when it's sopping wet and full of conditioner, however, the top layer looks very "perm" ala 1992 and the underside gets this nice thing ringlets. Is there a way to encourage the top to not be so separated?
Originally Posted by dixiebuckeye
I'm not sure what you mean by the perm look, but one possibly cause for your canopy being different than the underlayer could be that your canopy is more damaged from uv rays and/or mechanical damage (finger twirling, sleeping without pineappling etc.) Or it could just be that you have two different curl patterns on your head (very common).

Look up the super soaker method for bigger clumps.

I've started doing this recently and liking the results. Maybe it will help you.

I'm using Uncle Funky's Daughter Curly Magic (a jelly, the old formula). After I cleanse and condition, I rinse out my hair (right-side up these days). I squeeze water out of it (not separating it). Then I add 1-2 pumps of the Curly Magic by squeezing it into my hair. My hair is very wet, so the water helps distribution. Sometimes I separate my whole hair into 2 sections to do this. No scrunching and no raking. Then I'll take a cotton tshirt and squeeze my hair again to get some of the water out. Then, let dry, no touching until completely dry! I either air-dry it, or put my hair in the curlformers soft hood bonnet and dry that way. I've been getting really nice wavy results this way. It's very soft and natural-looking for sure. If there is any crunch I gently scrunch it out, but largely I've found the ufd cm doesn't get too crunchy.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
I can attest that adding water back in whether as much as super soaker or just spritzing it with water can really help. Scientifically I don't know why because you still end up removing the water with towel or diffusing and air drying but it helps my problem front too pieces. Also the longer info this method the better those pieces get. I had two small sections on top either side that were persistently nearly straight and 1.5 years on they are a gentle S wave now.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I can attest that adding water back in whether as much as super soaker or just spritzing it with water can really help. Scientifically I don't know why because you still end up removing the water with towel or diffusing and air drying but it helps my problem front too pieces. Also the longer info this method the better those pieces get. I had two small sections on top either side that were persistently nearly straight and 1.5 years on they are a gentle S wave now.
Originally Posted by chupie
I've been trying the rope super soaker method from WHC on FB, so I hope my two sideburn pieces that are 1c/2a will curl up more to the 2c/3a like the rest of my hair. I'm patient (somewhat) and can wait the 1.5 years!
I can attest that adding water back in whether as much as super soaker or just spritzing it with water can really help. Scientifically I don't know why because you still end up removing the water with towel or diffusing and air drying but it helps my problem front too pieces. Also the longer info this method the better those pieces get. I had two small sections on top either side that were persistently nearly straight and 1.5 years on they are a gentle S wave now.
Originally Posted by chupie
I've been trying the rope super soaker method from WHC on FB, so I hope my two sideburn pieces that are 1c/2a will curl up more to the 2c/3a like the rest of my hair. I'm patient (somewhat) and can wait the 1.5 years!
Originally Posted by KauaiMareCurl
I don't know if you can jump two steps but it's sure improved. I suppose it helps as new hair grows out. Also, I'm convinced because it is constantly exposed and that area is the first spot always brushed back in brushing days and most exposed to sun, touched, moved etc. I think that area takes a beating without us even realizing it.
Thanks for the responses. I'm going to have to look some of these recommendations up. I will say, I do have highlights and lowlights on top and that could be part of the problem. Either that or I do just have 2 very different curl patterns. It will take a few years to figure out which is the case because I got the "lights" less than a week before I found out about cg! Gah! Now off to research some of the things you all mentioned.
Thanks for the responses. I'm going to have to look some of these recommendations up. I will say, I do have highlights and lowlights on top and that could be part of the problem. Either that or I do just have 2 very different curl patterns. It will take a few years to figure out which is the case because I got the "lights" less than a week before I found out about cg! Gah! Now off to research some of the things you all mentioned.
Originally Posted by dixiebuckeye
Today I used CRWAG and LA Looks NutraCurl and got soft spirally hair. I didn't have to even SOTC. It came out on its own as it dried. I used more gel than I've ever used before. Half a palmful. It held up driving around in 100+ muggy weather for about an hour too. Got a little frizzy but not bad. If you can find the NutraCurl it could be a good fit. I'm very impressed. And yeah, those high and low lights probably need some good treatments. Do some good DTs. A really simple thing that has improved my moisture level is heating up about 1 tbsp of honey in the microwave and mixing whatever RO conditioner I am using (I am using CureCare right now) and using that when I low poo. Very nice in shower DT. Try to leave it as long as you can. Then dip your hair under the water stream quickly and squish squish squish that conditioner. Keep doing that until your RO is rinsed out. That is called "squish to condish" and is really really helpful. Put some leave in back in after. (That's generally where I use my Camille Rose)). That may help put some moisture back in those damaged sections.
I've just added this to the recipe section, but thought this would be a good place as well, since I've also had lots of trouble with definition of my fine 2b/3a hair. Hope it works out for some of you as well. Sorry, this post is really looooong.

I made a batch of FSG a couple of days ago with a few modifications. Like a lot of people, I was getting frustrated with having to keep it in the fridge or having it go sour, so I've been adding Liquid Germall for several months, and I don't feel there is any difference to the quality or performance of the gel. It is odourless, and doesn't seem to be drying. This time, I decided to experiment with castor oil and glycerine. I've been adding a little bit of xanthan gum to thicken the gel slightly. I've also found a way to avoid the bother of straining the gel by boiling the seeds in a cheap nylon knee-high. I have used this new concoction twice, and both times, it has given me excellent clumping and defined my normally skinny little waves into big, soft, thicker waves that I've been hoping for. My hair is as shiny as it has always been using the more traditional FSG recipe. So far, this new blend is a winner! Hope you all have luck with it, too.

Jude's FSG

1 cup water
1 cup orange flower water or rose water (or total of 2 cups plain water, if preferred)
1/2 cup whole flax seeds (I use brown)
1/2 tsp epsom salts (if extra curl is desired)
1/2 tsp castor oil
1/2 tsp glycerine
1/2 tsp liquid Germall
1/4 tsp xanthan gum
6 drops essential or fragrance oil of your choice (I used Sand & Surf perfume oil from Lathers & Lights)

Place 1/2 cup flax seeds in the toe of a nylon knee-high sock and tie the end tightly. Cut off excess nylon and save for another use. Place water and seed pouch in a plastic bowl or ziploc bag with the 2 cups of water, seal bowl or bag and soak overnight.

Transfer liquid and the knee-high full of seeds to a pot, add epsom salts if desired, and bring to a full rolling boil. Reduce to medium heat and continue to boil gently 5-7 minutes (or longer if a thicker gel is desired). While the seeds are boiling, "squish" the pouch several times with a wooden spoon to release the gel. Meanwhile, mix castor oil, glycerine, liquid Germall and xanthan gum with a spoon in a small bowl. Remove pot from heat and carefully remove the pouch of seeds with tongs. Try to squeeze excess gel from the pouch and add it back into the pot with the rest of the gel. Scrape the glycerine mixture into the pot, add essential/perfume oil and blend well with whisk. If desired, blend the gel further in a Magic Bullet or blender to fully incorporate all ingredients. When cool, pour into an empty bottle and use in good health!
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2b/3a fine, high density, medium porosity
No poo/Co-wash: Tresseme Naturals or Down Under Naturals Hypoallergenic
RO: L'Oreal Evercreme Nourishing Conditioner
LI: just a little of my CO or RO
Stylers: FSG and/or DevaCare Arc AnGel or DevaCurl Light Defining Gel
More leave in conditioner can improve clumping and soften the gel cast.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My hair is pretty similar to yours, fine, medium to normal porosity. If you want to give jellies a try, I'd suggest you start with a very small amount at first. I've tried a few and they were all just too heavy for me. The weight pulls my 2C curls down to a 2A and my 2B sections go almost completely straight.

I've had good results with flax seed gel and Aussie Instant Freeze for gels that scrunch out soft. Garnier Pure Clean gel was pretty decent, too, but doesn't have much hold for me in the summer.

For better clumping, I apply gel using "prayer hands". I pull my hair into two sections on either side of my head, rub a good blob of gel between both hands and smooth it down from root to end. Then I scrunch upwards with a microfiber towel.
I know you said you didn't have good luck with the LA Looks gels, but have you tried their Nutra Curl gel? I find that it isn't as "hard" as other gels I've used. Our hair is very similar, and it works great on me!
mostly 2a/2b hair, fine, medium density, low porosity?

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