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I don't know if I am just getting used to wearing my hair this way instead of flat ironed, but I always feel like my hair is messy.

Part of it I think is that it is impossible for my hair to not be disturbed while it dries. I have a small child who always gives me lots of hugs in the morning when my hair is wet. Then inevitably it is windy on the way from my car to the office (I have to walk about 5 minutes). The other part of it is that my curls are all different. Underneath I have ringlets and then on top and in the front it is straighter.

Any tips on how to prevent the messy look? Hair spray?

Thanks.
I think you need to get use to your hair.

Plus if you were flat ironing some of your hair will be damaged unless you have shaved all your hair off.
I don't know if I am just getting used to wearing my hair this way instead of flat ironed, but I always feel like my hair is messy.

Part of it I think is that it is impossible for my hair to not be disturbed while it dries. I have a small child who always gives me lots of hugs in the morning when my hair is wet. Then inevitably it is windy on the way from my car to the office (I have to walk about 5 minutes). The other part of it is that my curls are all different. Underneath I have ringlets and then on top and in the front it is straighter.

Any tips on how to prevent the messy look? Hair spray?

Thanks.
Originally Posted by elsie234
Get thee some light head scarfs. Check out Etsy. They will save your hair walking in the wind. Pretty much everyone has all different curls and we wavies are notorious for straight front pieces. That's why I clip mine back a lot. Most of the time. Though they have improved the longer I am no longer doing heat and such. It's a journey. What is your routine?It definitely takes getting used to.
Do you use a styler, like gel or anything? That's a pretty essential part of my routine in terms of stopping my hair from getting messy
Allie

3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. High density. Low-medium thickness.


Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature or
Shea Moisture Raw Restorative
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity or
Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly

UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
My routine - I co wash every other day with Trader Joe's Tea tree tingle conditioner. Once a week, I shampoo with Shea Moisture coconut hibiscus shampoo and follow with the Shea Moisture conditioner. Then I scrunch excess water out of my hair with my hands, apply mousse and scrunch dry with micro fiber towel. I've tried gel, but it weighs my hair down and the curls disappear when I scrunch put the crunch. Maybe I need to try a different gel. Sometimes I use Cantu hair shine spray on the ends because they get dry.

Today I tried diffusing my hair , but stopped halfway because it made it very pouffy. I will post a pic when it is totally dry.
This is my hair that seems messy to me, especially the back.
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Last edited by elsie234; 07-04-2014 at 09:08 AM.
Personally, I'm not a fan of mousse. That's not to say it's bad, but I've just never had any luck with it.

I would say that you might have luck trying a different gel that's more water-based (so light and shouldn't way your hair down). Something like Spiralicious
Allie

3A with some 3B thrown in. Medium porosity. High density. Low-medium thickness.


Pre-poo: Organic Virgin Coconut Oil
Low-poo: Shea Moisture Coconut & Hibiscus Curl & Shine
Conditioner: Faith in Nature or
Shea Moisture Raw Restorative
D/C: Giovanni 2chic Avocado & Olive Oil Ultra Moist Deep Moisture Mask

Leave-in: My DNA
Styler: Ouidad Climate Control Heat & Humidity or
Umberto Giannini Scrunching Jelly

UK curly. CG since October 2013.
Aiming for WL curls (eventually)
My routine - I co wash every other day with Trader Joe's Tea tree tingle conditioner. Once a week, I shampoo with Shea Moisture coconut hibiscus shampoo and follow with the Shea Moisture conditioner. Then I scrunch excess water out of my hair with my hands, apply mousse and scrunch dry with micro fiber towel. I've tried gel, but it weighs my hair down and the curls disappear when I scrunch put the crunch. Maybe I need to try a different gel. Sometimes I use Cantu hair shine spray on the ends because they get dry.

Today I tried diffusing my hair , but stopped halfway because it made it very pouffy. I will post a pic when it is totally dry.
Originally Posted by elsie234
What gel have you tried because there is a world of difference in gels.
This is my hair that seems messy to me, especially the back.
Originally Posted by elsie234
hey! That is nice wave! I seriously think your search is really for a good gel. Mousse alone is just not going to give you definition. Research making flax seed gel. I think you could get some great definition with that. That is what you are looking for. More definition.
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I used an Ecostyler gel. It was so thick. My hair clumps well with it, but it gets weighed down. My husband called it "snake hair", LOL. I bought an Herbal Essences curl gel, but then realized it had silicone in it. It is PEG silicone. Is that okay to use? Any other cheap recommendations?
That is better than not PEG. Should wash put with co-washing. Just depends on your hair. The least expense ice is making your own Flax seed gel. I suspect the EcoStyler being heavy is more about technique. Mmm. La looks? The Mega Mega is not too heavy. Maybe less sticky than the EcoStyler. It's not drugstore. It I love original Moxie Hold Up (new product). Thin like a serum but has good hold. If you can find it some people like Garnier Fructis Pure Clean but I'm not sure if that has cones in it or not.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Ps if you still have the EcoStyler just try thinning it with water. Like I get my hands wet then get a blob of EcoStyler and rub my hands together to get the right consistency.
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Your hair looks fine to me but I know how you feel. Sometimes when mine feels messy I brush it and just wear it soft without definition. But I think I'm in the minority in that I don't worry about definition that much. I am easily weighed down so gel is tricky for me. I can use the LA Sport gel with no problems. It's very inexpensive. I scrunch it in upside down to soaking wet hair, then blot/scrunch out as much water as I can and diffuse dry upside down. This gives me the most definition, especially in the back. The only downside is it takes forever to dry. I like mousse too and I think the AG gel mousse works well if you want to try a different mousse. My curl pattern is very different depending on whether I rinse and style upside down or right side up. You might switch however you are doing it and see if that makes a difference. And for me, the definition and curl has improved as I cut off damaged hair and things got healthier. It just may take time to get your hair where you want it.
2b/2c ( weather permitting - 3a), fine texture but lots of it, colored and highlights, BSL.
Experimenting w CG since Oct 2012

Current rotation:
cowash= TN
AG Gel Mousse, LA Gel,
DT = Coconut oil (love)
The better shape your hair gets in the more you can possible wear it undefined without looking like Hermione. When I started I had straight frizz puff. Now I can get away with some wide combing occasionally on second day. My wave is very elongated though which helps though that is also why I need to manipulate it more to generate definition. Shorter waves are stronger and pop up faster but you'll get more surface frizz. You look to have a a much shorter wave crest. Which kind of leads me to believe you might even get spirals after a while. With a long wave I get like two big barrel curls on either side sometimes. I know if my wave were shorter I'd probably get spirals instead. Keep at it. If you do there seems to often be about a 5 or 6 month tipping point where suddenly you go "Ooohhh" and things start to fall more in place. There are variables in weather and product and technique and sometimes just mystery variables that still challenge but somewhere along the line things just start to happen giving more consistent results. I've even seen some wavies still getting improvement three years on.
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You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
Thanks! I will try styling it upside down. Maybe that will help. I'm not sure if I care about definition or not. I just don't want it to look like I rolled out of bed or that I have curls that went haywire. I feel like it is a lot rarer to see what naturally wavy hair looks like, so I have no idea what I can reasonably expect from my hair. There are lots of curly or straight hairstyles, but even in the curly girl book, the examples of wavy hair look heavily styled. How would I even get my hair to look like Megan Fox or Evangeline Lily?

I tried the herbal essences gel today. My waves were a lot more defined, although it still don't understand how to get rid of the gel cast without making my hair look unkempt. I guess I need practice? The front looked great. But, now I think the reason it looks messy in the back is my haircut. I have layers where the shortest layer is 3-4 inches shorter than the longest layer and the wave patterns don't match up, so it doesn't lay right. I guess I will try to get a haircut soon. I had made an appointment with a curly hair stylist last month for an appointment in August, but she cancelled. So, hopefully I can find another stylist to cut it. Hopefully I won't have to wait 3 months for an appointment!

I think I've been doing the curly girl method for about 6 weeks now, so I know it takes time. My hair was so damaged before I started. I finally started to have shiny hair around 2 weeks ago. So, I definitely see some progress. I just never thought it would be so hard? On the one hand it is so much easier than spending 30-40 minutes blow drying and flat ironing my hair. On the other hand, it hasn't been easy figuring out products and drying methods. Hopefully I will figure it out soon!

Chupie- yes, I think my wave is short. I do get spirals underneath or on a very humid day.
Thanks! I will try styling it upside down. Maybe that will help. I'm not sure if I care about definition or not. I just don't want it to look like I rolled out of bed or that I have curls that went haywire. I feel like it is a lot rarer to see what naturally wavy hair looks like, so I have no idea what I can reasonably expect from my hair. There are lots of curly or straight hairstyles, but even in the curly girl book, the examples of wavy hair look heavily styled. How would I even get my hair to look like Megan Fox or Evangeline Lily?

I tried the herbal essences gel today. My waves were a lot more defined, although it still don't understand how to get rid of the gel cast without making my hair look unkempt. I guess I need practice? The front looked great. But, now I think the reason it looks messy in the back is my haircut. I have layers where the shortest layer is 3-4 inches shorter than the longest layer and the wave patterns don't match up, so it doesn't lay right. I guess I will try to get a haircut soon. I had made an appointment with a curly hair stylist last month for an appointment in August, but she cancelled. So, hopefully I can find another stylist to cut it. Hopefully I won't have to wait 3 months for an appointment!

I think I've been doing the curly girl method for about 6 weeks now, so I know it takes time. My hair was so damaged before I started. I finally started to have shiny hair around 2 weeks ago. So, I definitely see some progress. I just never thought it would be so hard? On the one hand it is so much easier than spending 30-40 minutes blow drying and flat ironing my hair. On the other hand, it hasn't been easy figuring out products and drying methods. Hopefully I will figure it out soon!

Chupie- yes, I think my wave is short. I do get spirals underneath or on a very humid day.
Originally Posted by elsie234
Well to get hair like theirs you have to have hair like theirs. I don't know what your wave pattern is like. Oh yeah, if layering is too far apart like that, it's really hard to look cohesive. When you can post a pic so we can see how long it is and such. Some wavies may do better with a LONG layered, entirely scissor cut style. You just have to be firm with a lot of stylists you want LONG and SCISSOR ONLY. No razoring, No texturizing. I did get a Deva cut in Nov. and it really improved my hair big time, even if it was subtle. I did get a cut again in April but it was a regular stylist at Ulta. But she listened to me and did a long layered scissor only cut and it did really well. I would still like to do the Deva cut again later this year. (Just be warned it is usually a LONG salon visit.) What state do you live in? there may be also a Curly Artist from the new Curly Hair Artistry Guild. Check out the salon finder here on NC and the one on the Deva site or the CHA stylists are listed here: How to find a Curly Hair Artist in your Area - Krista Leavitt - Curl Specialist
With the reference to the actress' hair, I just meant they were used as examples in the curly girl book, but it is obvious from looking at the photos they used that they didnt use gel and scrunch to style their hair. And that is the method that everyone seems to use to style their hair here. When I Google "naturally wavy hairstyles", the results are a bunch of ways to use curling irons or braids to get wavy hair.

I know my hair was thinned out with those weird thinning shears last time I got a haircut, so maybe that is the issue. I live in a big city that seemingly has a lot of people who do Devacuts, but the wait lists are awful for new clients. But when you say that the appointments take so long, I guess that makes sense. I will try a few more places tomorrow.
With the reference to the actress' hair, I just meant they were used as examples in the curly girl book, but it is obvious from looking at the photos they used that they didnt use gel and scrunch to style their hair. And that is the method that everyone seems to use to style their hair here. When I Google "naturally wavy hairstyles", the results are a bunch of ways to use curling irons or braids to get wavy hair.

I know my hair was thinned out with those weird thinning shears last time I got a haircut, so maybe that is the issue. I live in a big city that seemingly has a lot of people who do Devacuts, but the wait lists are awful for new clients. But when you say that the appointments take so long, I guess that makes sense. I will try a few more places tomorrow.
Originally Posted by elsie234
I'd pick one with the best reviews, get an appt and in the mean time work on technique. You'll still learn about your hair. And when you DO get your hair cut, you'll see even more results. Yeah, that very well could be an issue with the texturizing they gave you. I had these..... shelfy layers someone gave me "to enhance wave" (lol - just no.) until I got a Deva cut. Like I said now I can even just ask for scissor only long layers and it works. But it's been over a year since the "shelfy layers" so they are pretty much out now.
I would bet most of the problem is from the thinning. It's taken me almost two years to grow out a helix cut, which was supposed to be a type of curl enhancing cut. It was just a layered cut with tons of thinning. My hair was a stringy mess but I just kept cutting off the layers as it grew. Getting rid of all that made a dramatic difference. I had a deva cut about half way through the process. It was helpful but nothing terribly dramatic. Since then I just ask my non Deva trained stylist to cut it with no thinning and a blunt cut for the bottom and it's just fine. I am happy going to a regular stylist as I'm not going anything complicated with my hair right now. If I were wearing it short and layered I'd probably spring for another Deva.
2b/2c ( weather permitting - 3a), fine texture but lots of it, colored and highlights, BSL.
Experimenting w CG since Oct 2012

Current rotation:
cowash= TN
AG Gel Mousse, LA Gel,
DT = Coconut oil (love)
I've only just started the CG method after mistreating my hair for a very long time (sporting the Hermione look most of the time). The best I've found for me is to wash it straight after I put my kids to bed, so they can't mess it up and I get the whole evening for it to dry, and to twisting large strands with the help of some conditioner while it's still wet, so it dries with a lovely definition.

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