2b newbie, what CG products should I use?

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Hi! I just found about the CG method a couple days ago and I'm definitely going to try it out. The before and after thread inspired me a lot I'm a 2b with coarse hair and normal porosity. My hair is just sooo frizzy all the time and it sucks so I'm really excited about this. I'm not really sure what products I should get co co-wash with, as well as styling products, etc. Advice?
Welcome. I'd suggest keeping things simple to start with. The best conditioners for co washing seem to be the lighter silicone free ones, they really blend nicely with water and let you scrub your scalp. If you're in the US, Suave naturals, v05 and Tresume naturals are popular ones to try since they're cheap and silicone free. You can use a richer conditioner on your ends as a rinse out if you find they need the extra help. People who live in more humid climates often prefer a harder hold gel, but regardless I'd suggest a cheaper gel first so you can experiment with what your hair needs. Don't forget to do a wash with a simple shampoo before you start, and don't worry if you need to shampoo every so often. Many of us do from time to time. So cleanse, condition, leave a bit of your conditioner in to help your waves form, and apply gel. Read the techniques sticky threads on the general board if you haven't yet, you may have to experiment to figure out the vest product application technique for your hair.
2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
Waterlily716 on YouTube has various vlogs on budget CG products available on the ground. Given your hair is coarse you might be best to avoid hydrolysed protein, or just limit it to any damaged ends.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Ok, the basics you need are a conditioner for cowash, a conditioner for rinsing (usually thicker and more moisturizing than your wash), and a styler (there are lots of options but gel is one of the cheapest, and there isn't much of a learning curve). Many people also use a leave in, but you can use either of your conditioners in this step before you apply styler instead of buying a fourth product.

Most people go cheap with cowash since you end up using a lot of it to scrub clean. Since you're coarse, I'd probably avoid VO5 and any other products that contain protein. The other conditioners SereneCurls suggested are good, though. But really, any conditioner with surfactant ingredients will do. Ingredients to seek out can be found in this article: Cationic Surfactants in Curly Hair Care Products

The rinse-out conditioner, after making sure the ingredients are CG-safe, is really open to whatever your hair seems to "like", a scent (or lack of scent) that you like, etc. Some people use their cowash in this step too for double duty, but my instinct is that if you're having frizz issues, that's not the way to go.

As far as gel goes, again, check the ingredients, but basics that you find in stores (like LA Looks or Ecostyler) are popular choices.

Frizz can be confusing because there are so many things that cause it. Summer temperatures and dewpoints might be to blame, but they might also be compounding something like misdiagnosed porosity or the ingredients in products you've been using.

Porosity is hard to guess at, as researching my older posts could show you. I was diagnosing my hair's tendency for grease and build-up as low porosity, but it turns out that it was really just the opposite, and my high-porosity hair was hanging on to silicone and wasn't getting any chemical strong enough to cleanse it due to my product choices. It's often hard to be sure about porosity unless you get a microscopic analysis, or have a clear history with or without heat and/or chemical damage. The float and "feel the texture" tests aren't really reliable enough.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
i've heard a lot of good things about giovanni smooth as silk for rinsing out, should i try that?
Do you know how your hair responds to protein? I believe that conditioner contains protein, which some coarse hair dislikes. If you're not sure, the only way to know would be to try it out.
2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
Ok, the basics you need are a conditioner for cowash, a conditioner for rinsing (usually thicker and more moisturizing than your wash), and a styler (there are lots of options but gel is one of the cheapest, and there isn't much of a learning curve). Many people also use a leave in, but you can use either of your conditioners in this step before you apply styler instead of buying a fourth product.

Most people go cheap with cowash since you end up using a lot of it to scrub clean. Since you're coarse, I'd probably avoid VO5 and any other products that contain protein. The other conditioners SereneCurls suggested are good, though. But really, any conditioner with surfactant ingredients will do. Ingredients to seek out can be found in this article: Cationic Surfactants in Curly Hair Care Products

The rinse-out conditioner, after making sure the ingredients are CG-safe, is really open to whatever your hair seems to "like", a scent (or lack of scent) that you like, etc. Some people use their cowash in this step too for double duty, but my instinct is that if you're having frizz issues, that's not the way to go.

As far as gel goes, again, check the ingredients, but basics that you find in stores (like LA Looks or Ecostyler) are popular choices.

Frizz can be confusing because there are so many things that cause it. Summer temperatures and dewpoints might be to blame, but they might also be compounding something like misdiagnosed porosity or the ingredients in products you've been using.

Porosity is hard to guess at, as researching my older posts could show you. I was diagnosing my hair's tendency for grease and build-up as low porosity, but it turns out that it was really just the opposite, and my high-porosity hair was hanging on to silicone and wasn't getting any chemical strong enough to cleanse it due to my product choices. It's often hard to be sure about porosity unless you get a microscopic analysis, or have a clear history with or without heat and/or chemical damage. The float and "feel the texture" tests aren't really reliable enough.
Originally Posted by geekrockgirl85
Many of the VO5 conditioners contain protein, but by no means all of them. I wouldn't avoid the line, I'd just pick a protein free one if I had coarse hair. Bpenmetsa, VO5's protein free options are any of the Tea Therapy line, Herbal Escapes Ocean Refresh, Herbal Escapes Pomegranate & Grapeseed Extract, Herbal Escapes Sun-Kissed Raspberry, and Silky Experiences Island Coconut. Proteins appear in an ingredients list as whole proteins, either with or without the word "protein" (Examples: collagen, keratin, silk protein), as "amino acids" (Examples: keratin amino acids, silk amino acids, oat amino acids), and as "hydrolyzed" proteins (Examples: hydrolyzed keratin, hydrolyzed collagen, hydrolyzed wheat protein).
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CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
Good to know, Geek_chic! I'd only come across a limited selection of the VO5's locally and they all seem to be the protein varieties, but I also benefit from those the most, so maybe my observations have been biased.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
Good to know, Geek_chic! I'd only come across a limited selection of the VO5's locally and they all seem to be the protein varieties, but I also benefit from those the most, so maybe my observations have been biased.
Originally Posted by geekrockgirl85
A lot of the nicer smelling ones are fairly protein-y, and the ones most often mentioned here are ones that have it, so not necessarily a "bad" observation, Geekrockgirl. KLS has a good amount, and even the Strawberry Moisture Milk one has soymilk (whole protein, but maybe some amino acids in there as well). Interestingly, the Passion Fruit Smoothie one claims to have soy proteins, but the ingredients list on VO5's own website shows no protein at all. I was gonna say that most of the line has protein, but after counting, it's only half of the available conditioners at 7 of 14 (6 if the Passion Fruit Smoothie truly has none).
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed

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