Product Advice? Creams/Gels and Diffusers

Hi everyone! I'm new to the site and hoping to get some advice! I'm 2c, with lovely ringlets on the bottom, but looser s-waves on top, which frustrate me to no end. I've been thinking about getting a diffuser, but really can't decide on one that's good for creating tighter and voluminous curls. Any help?

Also, I'm currently using Deva No-poo, one condition and their Ultra Defining Gel. I'm wondering if someone with 2c hair and my problem has found a specific product regimen that really works for curl amplification and volume? I'm thinking maybe the gel is too heavy for the top of my hair?

Thanks everyone!
Mariah
Hey, mcarroll101. I have the exact same problem u do, so I feel ur pain! In my experience the kind of diffuser doesnt matter so much as the technique. I find that if I add clips at the roots and keep them there while I diffuse illl get nice volume and curl. As far as products go, ive yet to find "the one!" products generally wear my hair down. You do however need to have your hair well moisturized before diffusing, even if you use low heat or it could cause frizzy curls. Hope this helps!
Technique matters for me a lot more than product, most of the time. If you look in the sticky threads on the general board, you'll find the techniques thread, with a link to the pixy diffusing method. That gets me the most curl. Your cut might also affect the amount of curl, some hair is stretched out by length and some people prefer layers to maximize their curl.
2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
Welcome!

Hydrolysed protein and magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) are curl boosting, you might also try clipping to take the weight off your root area. Plopping/ plunking seems to be better than scrunching with a towel for supporting the curl as the excess water is removed.

You likely won't ever get even curl tho, that is the nature of 2c hair, if it were even it would be 2b or 3a..

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2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I'm also 2c in the back - the longer it gets, the ends get more tightly curled (it looks like someone took a really big curling iron and put 3-4 barrel curls back there) but the top is just wavy and stays close to my head.

Clipping helps. I just got a new cut where it is nicely layered back there - not the traditional long layers that everyone thinks of but a little shorter (she called it taking bulk out of the internal structure of my hair, she was super careful about it). I like the way the back falls out now - the upper layers spring up a little more and lay on top of the bottom layers instead of getting lost in them. I tend to comb my fingers through a little and everything gets super fluffy (in a good way, I like my hair a little wild like that).

I don't generally take pics of my hair, but I'll see if it turns out well today to show you what I mean. My last cut was too bulky at the bottom and everything got weighted down. I can't change the upper wave at all, even with a diffuser (it just doesn't grow out of my head any other way!), but taking the bulk out was helpful.

I pixie diffuse, but as I'm holding the diffuser to my head with one hand, I take the end of a rat tail comb or something like it (chopsticks would work well, for example) to lift the roots away from my head as I am drying it. You could try this out to see if it helps at all.

If I could get the rest of my hair to play as nicely as the back does I'd really be in business (I have multiple curl and wave patterns).
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
Spiral ham you sound like my hair twin! The way you layered your sounds like a good idea. Are you still able to put your hair up though? I go to lab a lot during the school year and we absolutly have wear it up and dont have much time to do much else w/ it when I dont wear it down (this college student has no life).
Yep I'm pretty much the same. I have waist length hair with 2c curls at the bottom and 2b waves at the top. I simply think that my length is just weighing down my hair and stretching them out.

I know this because i have shorter strands of new growth along my hairline that maintain a 2c texture from root to tip.

I don't mind so much though. I've found that sleeping with my hair plopped dry in a t shirt has helped greatly with this, it sort of compresses the curls, this is why I get the best hair on day 2/3/4.
Pre Shampoo: Olive Oil, Wilko Kids Detangle Spray
Low Shampoo: Redken Curvaceous Cream Shampoo
Conditioner: Redken Diamond Oil Conditioner
Leave in/Oil: Olive Oil/Redken Diamond Oil Conditioner
Styling: AG Recoil Curl Activator, V05 Mega Hold, Cornstarch
Refresh: Redken Fresh Curls Curl Boost


Waist Length, 2B with 2C ends
Spiral ham you sound like my hair twin! The way you layered your sounds like a good idea. Are you still able to put your hair up though? I go to lab a lot during the school year and we absolutly have wear it up and dont have much time to do much else w/ it when I dont wear it down (this college student has no life).
Originally Posted by WaavyMadnesss
Oooh! I don't think I've had a hair twin before

When I was still a student and in the labs (I'm a chemist) I wore mine in a long French braid and rarely cut it, expect for my bangs. I wasn't CG then, and rarely wore my hair down. I was growing out one of those awful androgynous cuts that girls wore in the late 80's that my mom convinced me to get <shudder> LOL!

My hair is just above shoulder length when dry. I think my shortest layer in the back stretches to the nape of my neck, so I can actually pull it back into a ponytail if I need to (and I do in the summer - I hate hot weather and hair clinging to my skin). The bits on the sides don't always make it into the pony, but that's what bobby pins and headbands are for... I'm not super stylish, but show me a scientist who is! It is a requirement of any haircut I get to be able to pull it back. You can't have that stuff falling in your face (or your experiment) in the lab. I also can put it up in a pseudo french twist and a claw clip of some kind, either with pins or a headband, or sometimes I'll twist the sides back and then put the back up. So it still works out ok for me.

The interesting thing about this cut is that my ponytail has a lot of interesting character to it right now - less full since I have less bulk, but it falls in these giant spiral curls. I'll really try to get some pictures to show you what I'm talking about - it might take a few days - and if I remember I can ask my stylist for technical terms about how she cut my hair if you're interested.

SH
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
Omg!!! Im a chem person too! Im a chem major and I love it! And thanks for the tips, im getting my hair cut tomorrow so I was trying to figure out what to do with it, so thanks!
Its ok that you cant post the pics yet, ill try to explain what uve said already to my stylist
Hi WaavyMadnesss,

Sorry, I don't get on much over the weekend, busy with family life and all that... How did your cut go?
Smorgasbord of finer, porous 2a-3a; straight underlayer

collagen
humectants outside of optimal dews, PVP, oils/butters, anything remotely comedogenic

poos: Giovanni TTT, Suave Clarifying
condishes: VO5 VMT, KLS; IonEC
stylers: FSG, 4NSBCC, Volumax, GFPC


Mod CG since 11/2012. My waves occasionally look best when combed out, so you can pry my combs from my cold, dead hands
when I do wear my hair curly, I put a lot of hard, thick gel on it and part off a 1"x1" or 1"x2" section. I then roll the strand around a pencil or a finger, slide it off my finger with the curl still intact. Hold it at the root with a few clips. Move on to the next section until the entire head is covered with finger curls and clips. I let it set until it is completely dry by sitting under a hooded dryer. I then take off the clips and finger the hair bigger slightly separating it.
The results can vary from 3c curls to infinity depending on what size finger or mold I use to set the curls. Also using a lot of gel is the glue that makes this work. The results look totally natural if you leave them all to dry bone dry and rock hard before removing the clips. They can look so natural that if I separate the curls too much or comb it too much it can turn into a mass of frizz like a bush. Anyone would believe I had naturally curly hair instead of straight hair after I did this pin curl set on my fingers with globs of gel.
Things to watch out for:
If you miss putting gel on a section of hair ....failure
If you take out the clips before it is dry the curls will droop and look wilted.
If you make poor pin curls, the quality of the set will be inferior.
Give it a try.
type 1-2c fine to medium, dry, thin hair

Last edited by Msyoda; 08-04-2014 at 08:46 AM.
Hi WaavyMadnesss,

Sorry, I don't get on much over the weekend, busy with family life and all that... How did your cut go?
Originally Posted by SpiralHam
It's ok, we all get busy! Im pretty happy with this cut. I seem to have more curl an volume where I didn't have it before, which my makes my hair a bit easier to work with, and I can still pull it up which is a major plus! Thanks for the suggestion

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