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... and having all sorts of problems!

I've tried plopping but it leaves the hair on top of my head an absolute train wreck. The bottom of my curls look great. However, I stopped doing it since the top part was pretty much irreparable.

I'm completely at a loss of what products to use. I'm on week 2 of no shampoo and have just been washing with Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition or their Three Minute Undo treatment. I have the Shea Moisture Raw Shea Butter Shampoo and Condition and deep conditioning mask but they make my hear feel really greasy within about 24 hours.

Styling wise I use Bouncy Creme kind of as a leave in conditioner and then put Matrix total results super defrizzer on top of it.

The result of all of my efforts is my hair is just kind of limp and flat and gross.

Everything on this site has mixed reviews for people with my hair type and I'm having difficulty figuring out what I need and feeling super overwhelmed. Any help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
So at what point and what level of wetness do you plop? What has been applied when you plop? ALso, I do what I call a mini plop, I take the towel/flour sack/tshirt whatever, and gather up a section of hair to the scalp in it, squeeeze and hold for a count of 20 to 30 and carefully let down. I go all the way around doing that. Bit like a plop with more control. However, I have also noticed that where as in the beginning I couldn't style upside down (or plop) I can now. So, you might go from it for a while but return later when you get your hair better.

A lot of us 2s also have to cowash only like every other time. The rest of the time we low poo or dilute sulfate poo wash. And 2 weeks in just isn't that much time. You WILL get better at this. And yes, there will be mixed results because everyone's hair is different. 70% of this stuff is trial and error. And one more thing, curl pattern really doesn't matter as much as other properties, like fine, thin, coarse, porous non-porous, thick, etc. are much more indicative of "similar" hair, not pattern. So you may be looking at reviews of people who have your curl pattern but very different hair.
I use a tshirt to kinda lightly squeeze out the water so it isn't soaking wet after I've applied the Bouncy Creme and Super Defrizzer before plopping into a long sleeve tshirt. I'll have to try what you suggested and see if that helps, thank you.

I definitely have fine hair and it is probably medium-high to high porosity. So I will keep that in mind when looking. I'll see about finding a low poo as well, it sounds like I probably need that instead of the no shampoo I am currently doing. Thank you!
The 3 minute undo has mineral oil in it, which may be part of the problem. It's also quite heavy to be using as a CO'wash. I've been trying different CO'washing methods for years and at this point, I'll allow some light silicones (amodimethicone, mostly) because my hair likes it and sticking to sulfate free shampoo 2-3x a month.

I would suggest clarifying your hair to get the mineral oil off it and starting over with a lighter weight condish. I had a long run of good luck with Loreal Evercreme cleansing conditioner. I only stopped using it because the bottle is too small and the pump blows. As far as leave-ins go...I don't know exactly how wavy/dry your hair is, but I would start with a little bit of oil and work your way up from there if you need to.
I agree that a lot of practice and experimenting is necessary, trial and error is definitely the name of the game. I also wanted to say that plopping doesn't work for everyone, it gives me messy oddly shaped waves. So don't stress if you don't like it after trying it out for a while.
2c/3a, dense, fairly coarse, normal porosity and elasticity, bsl curly, WL wet
Low poo: Giovanni 50 50
Co-wash: down under naturals, tresume naturals
RO: AOHR
LI: Giovanni Direct, Desert Essence curl cream
Stylers: kccc, HE smu, brhg
Oils: coconut, argan or evoo
Thank you ladies, I appreciate the help! I tried the drying method chupie suggested this morning and that definitely worked a bit better. My roots are still a bit crazy because of how my curls/waves clump but it was a definite improvement.

I'll stop on my way home and get the evercreme, thanks for the suggestion freshmint.
I am probably higher porosity than you but it sounds like we might be close to hair twins! My hair gets very easily weighed down, so I feel your frustration on when it just goes limp. I agree with the other posters' advice though: trial and error is a huge thing on the CG journey, and what works now might not work a few weeks or month down the line, and vice versa.

a few thoughts:

PROTEIN. if you're not coarse-haired, absolutely start adding more protein to your routine (looks like it's already in the gel you use). Lots of people have had luck with limp curls perking up and springing to life with added protein. You can find conditioners and gels that contain them, add a few drops of Colorful Neutral Protein Filler to the stuff you already have, and/or cook up the protein treatment from Science-y Hair Blog.

if you have an older bottle of Triple Nutrition, you're good, but the new formulation has a silicone in it. Might be adding to the limp, flat, and gross effect: sounds like it's too weighed down. Could be the aforementioned silicone, could be your styling products (some reviews of your gel on curlmart sound like the antifrizz part can be overkill on fine hair), could be that you need a lighter cowash in general.

Personally, I'd try one of the old stand-by cheapie cowashes (VO5 or Suave Naturals) and/or gels (LA Looks or Ecostyler), because even if your hair dislikes them, only a couple bucks lost to the Product Junkie gods. The cheap conditioners clarify better than a thicker conditioner would, which it sounds like you need to prevent buildup/limp grossness.

You can still use the thicker conditioners as a rinse-out and/or leave in after your wash step if you like. But, for what it's worth, even though I use heavyish rinse-outs, I go light with the leave-in (about the same weight as the cheapie cowashes, but I use Cure Care for its protein content) and that seems to keep me from getting too weighed down.

I also had a similar experience to chupie: upside down styling and plopping used to never work, but now that my hair is "better", it works well IF it's still pretty wet after I have scrunched in my leave-in and gel, and I let it out of the plop when it's about 80% dry, before the funky shapes start forming. Her modified plop would probably make my hair freak out, though. Extra touching... less water... extra frizz. >.<

HTH!
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
FYI, also just saw that another user is having some trouble with their hair and suspects Bouncy creme as the culprit due to the ingredients:
Poly quat ?
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
geekrockgirl, you are amazing! Everyone one of you ladies has been a huge help!!

I will try to add some protein immediately and switch out my gel. I've got a clarifying shampoo and the EverCreme product to start using as a cowash as well.

Thanks so much everyone for helping me figure out a great starting place on my CG journey. I was drowning in confusion and too many options on my own!!
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FYI, also just saw that another user is having some trouble with their hair and suspects Bouncy creme as the culprit due to the ingredients:
Originally Posted by geekrockgirl85
Well that was an interesting read... I don't really notice much buildup with the bouncy creme or the straw texture but maybe I will leave it out of the routine for awhile and see how we do. It really helped me with detangling my hair so I'll probably have to find something to replace it.
I do have issues with polyquats, which is what made me remember that post, but some people aren't that sensitive to them, so it might be fine to keep in your routine; just trying to pinpoint all the potential sources of trouble.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
I do have issues with polyquats, which is what made me remember that post, but some people aren't that sensitive to them, so it might be fine to keep in your routine; just trying to pinpoint all the potential sources of trouble.
Originally Posted by geekrockgirl85
Honestly at this point... it could be crappy for my hair and I'd probably think it was normal! So I appreciate it, especially since your hair seems very, very similar. It's giving me a great starting point!!

I'm getting the V05 Strawberries and Cream conditioner that seems to be pretty popular around here. Do you actually shampoo your hair at this point? I'm wondering if I need to get the shampoo as well to use on kind of an as needed basis. I've used the Suave clarifying shampoo in the past a handful of times and I don't think my hair needs something quite that strong. It left it feeling completely wrong and it took a few deep conditionings to give my hair some life again.

I'm still debating on which LA Looks gel to get. Not sure if I need the 3 or 4. I HATE HATE HATE crunchy hair... but I'm just now learning about this Scrunch out the crunch thing...
I haven't used shampoo since... April? But I seem to have more luck with cowashing than some other 2s on the forum... again, another learning curve!

The Suave clarifier is good to keep around in case of emergencies... sometimes you try something that doesn't work and you need a good sulfate to wipe the slate clean, and the silicone in that one is water soluble, so it should be fine for CG. I agree that it's harsh on hair, but I've read about people diluting normal sulfate shampoos down with water to make them gentler.

You could also get a sulfate-free low-poo for gentle cleansing, but I have no specific product recommendations there... maybe someone else could chime in there! When my hair was in its funky transition state and making more grease than it needed, I just cowashed more often. >.>

The gel thing is yet another thing you have to play with and figure out... most people end up finding that the high end of the hold spectrum works better for them in the long run. The ones I use are probably between an 8 and 10, hold-wise.

When I started, I was actually not using *enough* gel on my hair quantity wise, trying to avoid too much stiffness, and was wondering why I wasn't having luck with "second day hair". Now that I'm more liberal with my gel use, it survives my tendency to thrash around in my sleep once pineappled, I get three and sometimes even four days out of one wash, and haven't really run into the spirally helmet problem, yet. I do sometimes feel a little crisp at the ends but my "scrunching out the crunch" has been minimal, so I could probably use even more than I do.

edit to add: SMELL your gels before you decide, too. I bought a bottle of LA Looks Extreme Sport a while back and haven't been able to bring myself to use it because it's got this weird clean-yet-chemically scent that just doesn't sit well with me.. some are less fragrant in general, or have a scent that's more pleasant.

But really, the first rule of curly hair is "you do you". Past experience from other people is a helpful guide but how everything works and feels for *you* is most important.
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel

Last edited by geekrockgirl85; 08-07-2014 at 03:33 PM.
I went ahead and used a diluted bit of the V05 S&C shampoo and my hair seemed to be okay with it, I used the conditioner as a rinse out and then put a tiny bit mixed with water back in the ends of my hair.

All of this seems acceptable.

The mousse I decided to try (Mom picked it up and thought I might like it) however seems to be a disaster of epic proportions. I used a tshirt to squeeze out the water and then diffused.

The bottom part of my hair today looks much better than it has been, the roots and crown are still a train wreck. Think I'll try a bit of the diluted conditioner on them next time with a gel. I think I'm making tiny baby steps of progress!!

Does anyone besides me have issues with looking like you have bald spots when you allow your hair to clump? I think part of the problem I'm having with the roots is that I really had to kinda root shuffle (? I think that's what I read you guys call it) them out so I didn't have tons of scalp showing.

As always, thanks for the support and advice!!
I think that can happen. You might want to try clipping your crown. That will lift those clumps up. you can kind of arrange the clumps how you want and get some lift in there. I have a couple of videos on it and there are some others around youtube as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnu1tsxP850 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Wn...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ
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OH jeez, yeah. I don't part my hair before I plop, because if I do, it looks like I have little balding holes. And I've been trying to train my hair out of the part that it has for the same reason.

Also, I don't know what it is, but my hair hates mousse of any kind with a searing passion. Insta-stringy-greasy mess. Maybe it's the fineness? Not sure. But I feel that pain.

And I've been wanting to try the clipping method for a while but having a hard time searching out the info through posts on here... glad chupie's here to give us the cheat sheet.

Sounds like the rest of your experiments have been moderately successful.... huzzah!
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2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel
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geekrockgirl85, I gotta give you "props", I remember when you were posting about your problems and now you're giving advice like a "pro"! I'm so proud of you girl!

[Btw, I hope the wedding plans coming along great!]

Terradactalynne, I really have nothing to add to everything she and Chupie said, it's all very good advice, just wanna say hi.


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OH jeez, yeah. I don't part my hair before I plop, because if I do, it looks like I have little balding holes. And I've been trying to train my hair out of the part that it has for the same reason.

Also, I don't know what it is, but my hair hates mousse of any kind with a searing passion. Insta-stringy-greasy mess. Maybe it's the fineness? Not sure. But I feel that pain.

And I've been wanting to try the clipping method for a while but having a hard time searching out the info through posts on here... glad chupie's here to give us the cheat sheet.

Sounds like the rest of your experiments have been moderately successful.... huzzah!
Originally Posted by geekrockgirl85
Newest lesson- hair gel... I put in like 5 times my normal amount and am now starting to think I still didn't get enough!! But it is DEFINITELY better than the mousse. Ick.

Chupie, thanks for the links, I'll be trying that ASAP. I haven't parted my hair before plopping it just does whatever the heck it wants so hopefully this clipping thing gives them a bit of discipline! (I don't care what clipping does, my crown can't look worse than it currently does.)

One more random question, if I am going to use a tiny amount of oil to seal the cuticles... when do I do that? After the gel before plopping? After I SOTC? I didn't use any this time and my ends looked pretty awesome when I left for work. 2.5 hours later they are getting a bit loose and frizzy. (Hence me saying I still need more gel.)

2002- Hi!
I think you have to experiment but I'd first try after your leave in before your gel.
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