Help!!

Hello!

I am new to the site, yet not new to being CG. I've been CG for a few months now and am loving it!
However, I have a problem - I am a curly product junkie! I cannot seem to find anything that works for me type 2b/2c hair! My hair is frizzy, dry, poufy, every curly girls worst nightmare.
I have tried drug store brands (Tresemme, Fructis) as well as more expensive brands (Ouidad, Devacurl) and nothing seems to work best.
I normally let my hair air dry and at times do diffuser it with the Devacurl hair hand wand thing.
My routine: condition everyday, add leave in, oil and gel in soaking wet hair and then either scrunch or scrunch and plop using a tshirt.
I need help!
Oh and I've never had 2nd day hair worthy of leaving down!
Please share your own curly hair routines and products!
Check out my mane in the pic!

Thanks for all the help!
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Welcome!

OK. Do you know your hair properties (coarseness, porosity, elasticity) and your dew points/ humidity? Are you working with these when choosing products and ingredients? If you are lost consider a microscope hair analysis from Goosefootprints on Etsy, Wendy will give you pointers on ingredients too.

Secondly one common denominator could be technique. It would be worth trawling through the techniques sticky on the General Discussion board. Not everyone gets on with scrunching and plopping, that can be too much manipulation so some just plop. Do you get decent clumping from your leave in conditioner and gel?

Why are you using a standalone oil rather than just PLENTY of leave in conditioner? This can lead to stringy hair or occasionally to frizz for some. My hair is damaged but the little oil in my leave in conditioner or used as a deep treatment is sufficient.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I have high porosity and coarse hair. I did the porosity test on Naturally Curly and it says to use an anti-humectant product in heat and humidity (summer time for me in Quebec).
I just don't know how to find or where to find products that fit my hair type with porosity and hair texture, not to mention anti humectant products. Any suggestions?
I wish there could be some magical person who tells me what products to use as I have yet to find a hair stylist who knows anything about curly hair, let alone caring for it!
Welcome!

OK. Do you know your hair properties (coarseness, porosity, elasticity) and your dew points/ humidity? Are you working with these when choosing products and ingredients? If you are lost consider a microscope hair analysis from Goosefootprints on Etsy, Wendy will give you pointers on ingredients too.

Secondly one common denominator could be technique. It would be worth trawling through the techniques sticky on the General Discussion board. Not everyone gets on with scrunching and plopping, that can be too much manipulation so some just plop. Do you get decent clumping from your leave in conditioner and gel?

Why are you using a standalone oil rather than just PLENTY of leave in conditioner? This can lead to stringy hair or occasionally to frizz for some. My hair is damaged but the little oil in my leave in conditioner or used as a deep treatment is sufficient.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Can you please direct me to this Goosefootprints on Etsy? Can't seem to find it as it leads me to paintings of goose footprints! lol
here's the website: https://www.etsy.com/shop/GoosefootP..._shop_redirect

far better quality products than deva or ouidad is curl junkie. go to her website and browse, also look at the selection guide on it.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
I am also having fantastic results with Camille Rose products. Particularly the Whipped Aloe-butter Gel (I think almost *anyone* could use this producg) and Curl Maker. I really want to try the milk.

Original Moxie has some great stuff. YOu can order 1 oz sample sizes.

For washing and conditioning, I have to say, Curl Junkie and probably Jessicurl are tops. (YOu can also get samples from those two sites.). A lot of people swear by the Generic Value Conditioning Balm from Sally's. I also like the Cure Care there pretty well. But it is only sold by the gallon. It's protein-y. (The balm is not).


But in all honesty, Camille Rose Whipped Aloe-Gel butter is simply amazing for calming your hair. I know one wavy who has just gone to wash, condish and using the CRWAG. It's just that good.
Okay, first off... conditioning *every* day sounds like overkill to me. Your symptoms might be a sign of over-conditioning. Maybe you're washing with too heavy a conditioner? Or not scrubbing your scalp thoroughly enough (I had this problem at first because I was used to sulfates doing the hard work for me)?

I did need to condition fairly often when I started, but once my scalp started to adjust to the routine, I was able to back off significantly; from every other day at the start to about every 4-5 days about 3 months in. Of course, sometimes I go more than that... and sometimes I go less. Sometimes I rewet my hair and do the Rinse-out between washes. Depends on how clean/frizzy/whatever I look and feel.

Second; how hawk-like have you been about reading product labels? I know there are options in the lines that you mentioned that are silicone free, but all of them except Deva have CG pitfalls as well. And I know of many people that complain about their hair just not getting along with Deva products. If you accidentally picked a product with gunk in it, that could be contributing to your problem. I thought I was CG for years because I switched to cowashing exclusively, but was not totally happy with the results, and do believe that silicone buildup (I was using Sally's WEN clone, which contains amodimethicone) was partially to blame.

Next, what are you doing to your second day hair? Sometimes I am lucky enough to have it spill off the silk pillowcase and out of the pineapple looking great; but that tends to be the exception rather than the rule. On refresher days I need a spritz bottle (mine is supplemented with epsom salt and protein [not the best for you if your hair is indeed coarse, but testing out how your hair gets on with protein might not be the worst, especially if you are porous], some people add condish or other "hair tonic" kinds of things like honey, sugar, etc... again, depends on how your hair reacts), scrunch in some leave-in, and then some gel.

What *kind* of oil are you using? That might be part of the issue you're having.... but I'd agree with Firefox that it might be better skipping the oil step and just stick with LI for now. Oils can very easily become overkill for type 2 hair.

Also, I can't see your picture, but I don't think that's your fault... the site has been revamped recently and a few things have gone all wonky. But, thought you should know; we're not ignoring that part of your post on purpose!
2c. present color& past heat damage, fine, low-density, high porosity, happy with some protein. re-CG as of 5/2014. Wash:V05 PFS or KLS, RO: (trying to use up my stash; so it's always different!), LI: Cure Care, DT: SM Smooth & Repair Hair Masque, Style: Ecostyler Olive Oil / La Bella Lots of Curls gel

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