Ouidad appointment today, should I go??

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I am on week two of CG and it's still very much hit and miss. I bought a diffuser last night and I have posted the results from this morning. After using the Deva gel and diffuser, my hair was LARGE. I ended up having to pin back the top before work because I just could not manage to make it look ok - mostly my bangs, which are not quite long enough.

My question is - I made this Ouidad appointment for today and I was psyched until I read up on them - apparently much of their product line is not CG friendly, and I feel like a huge part of the appointment will be them putting that stuff in my hair and trying to sell me on it. I'm not even sure my curl is worthy of Ouidad and the price, it isn't cheap. There is no Deva salon within three hours of where I am (Little Rock, AR) so Ouidad is my only option as far as a "certified curl specialist."

I am torn. Do I go? Or do I let my regular stylist cut it and hope for the best? I just got a trim about four weeks ago so I don't need one now, other than to shape it if I intend to keep on wearing it curly - which I would like to do.

All advice welcome, as always!!
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I've had very good luck with most Ouidad products. Since you just had a haircut four weeks ago, why not reschedule this one for a month from now and see how you feel then? Some people find that staying strictly CG isn't necessary, while others are die-hard adherents. A month will give you time to determine where you fall in the spectrum.

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That's probably good advice, claudine191. Thank you! If I may ask, what type of hair do you have? I ask only because you said you have had success with their products. Mine is very coarse, dense, and wavy (as you can see, my curl pattern is not well-defined.)
I adore Ouidad! Their Humidity Gel is my holy grail. Tbh I tend to hear of more people having problems with Deva products than Ouidad ones.

Maybe you should wait until you experiment more and know which products / methods you like best, then you and your stylist can work together to achieve the look you want?

Just to point out that Deva cuts are more popular than Ouidad, but I think that might be due to the fact that they cut dry and use the techniques outlined in the CG handbook, which people feel comfortable with as they have mostly based their new haircare on that book.
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I second what BB said on negative Deva and positive Ouidad. I didn't care for Deva products or their haircut in the end. Never got a Ouidad haircut though. I'd be much more inclined to use Ouidad products, even though they are super expensive. The gel is pretty amazing, and frankly that bottle would last me forever. If you don't like the products, simply don't buy them. Go home and clarify your hair.

Silicones are not the devil, and it mostly stems from cowashing with products that do not have the proper surfactant in them. DevaCurl started with silicones, believe it or not. They are only "bad", because one woman said not to use them. The CG method is great, but there is no harm in using a silicone here and there - especially if you are cleansing properly. The problem comes in when they sit on the hair wash after wash and form a barrier for anything conditioning to penetrate your hair. There are even a few conditioners/cowashes that have cocamidopropyl betaine in them that will get the silicone out.
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Last edited by sixelamy; 03-19-2015 at 11:25 AM.
A lot of Ouidad products are perfectly CG friendly. I'd say most. Especially the wavy stuff. The playcurl foam, the sea salt stuff. Some the cone stuff is PEG 12, so water soluble. Just tell them to make sure there are no unsoluble cones in what they use. I'd still go.
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OK. You have all convinced me!! I will post before and after pics, unless I am curled up in the fetal position afterwards in mortification and horror.
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I hope you love it! A Ouidad cut is more local than a Deva cut here. I will be very curious about your experience and your cut!
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NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
Yes hope to see a pic!
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Well, I have to say, when I left the salon I was in horror. My hair was CRUNCHY. I haven't had that much gel in my hair since 1987! I wish I had great things to say about my stylist. In my opinion, he was overly confident, talked entirely too much about politics and not enough about hair. He was very rough even though I told him several times that I am very tender-headed (even saying "ow!" a time or three.) He gave me no instructions for what to do with it once I left the salon, which leads me to believe he expected me to wear my hair as-is to a public event. NO WAY that was going to happpen! He didn't even show me the back. No hand-held mirror, nothing. It was NOT CUTE. He sent me home with some samples, but did not hard sell me on the products, other than preaching about the deep conditioning treatment that I NEED. (per him) Anyway, I fluffed it a bit on the way home and I had some serious concerns that I had just purchased myself a very expensive mullet.

First and second picture is post-haircut on the way home.
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I like it MUCH better today. I used a clarifying shampoo this morning just because I had SO MUCH PRODUCT in my hair, so it is a bit fluffier than normal, but overall I am pleased. I like the way that it is laying and I think it will be easier to wash and go.

What do you guys think?
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Oh, I thought I deleted the first picture I took in the car but I found it. This is the one I sent to my husband. You can tell by my expression how I felt about my hair when I left. You guys. I can't even. THIS IS HOW I WALKED OUT.

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OMG THAT'S HOW YOU WALKED OUT!?? I would've walked out with my money back!!!! I am so sorry you did not like your stylist. A good stylist would hair talk with you and give you some sort of instruction. That's pretty awful.

I will say the picture you posted today where you felt better about it is absolutely gorgeous! It's always better when you style it yourself.
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NP/LP: CJ Daily Fix, KMF Whenever Conditioner/ Giovanni TTTT
RO/LI: Sevi Pumpkin Seed, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, JC Too Shea, Aussie Moist
DT: Coconut Oil + scalp massage
STYLER: Ouidad Climate Control, KCCC, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, JC Rockin' Ringlets
COLOR: henna, amla & indigo
: glycerin in high/low dews, polyquats, parabens
Oh, I thought I deleted the first picture I took in the car but I found it. This is the one I sent to my husband. You can tell by my expression how I felt about my hair when I left. You guys. I can't even. THIS IS HOW I WALKED OUT.

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Originally Posted by amberlaw
Yikes. That sounds like a bad experience all around. Though I agree, I think you will be able to work with this cut. But wow, bad bad stylist! I do not understand no mirror, no listening to you about the roughness. He didn't show you how to style because he obviously didn't know what to do with a wavy. That seems to be an issue all around. I have never left a salon looking good, but that didn't mean I didn't get a good cut. I often have but I can't wait to restyle and that is the case with most wavies I know. I guess I would not go back to him what with all the negatives, but I do think you have a cut that will work well. I just think next time you can get a good cut that isn't a bad experience!!!
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Amber I am not a fan of the way they let you walked out the salon! But I find the last picture is very pretty!! Its unbelievable how we know better how to make our hair pretty than the hairstylists...and this was a specialist!! anyways, I like the haircut and you style it a lot better than the people at the salon
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Thanks you guys!! I was so relieved when my hair was finally dry enough this morning to see what it was going to do. SO. RELIEVED. I wish I was ballsy enough to demand my money back but at the end of the day, I am fine with the cut. It just occurred to me that he never asked me what style I wanted. I didn't show him a single photograph, nothing. He just went to whacking at my head. AND HE WAS THE OWNER. Bizarre!!! I may have to travel to Memphis for my next cut - this is the only Ouidad place around as far as I can tell, and there are no Deva stylists near here. I just don't know about this redneck state of mine.

Signed,

A resigned wavy Arkansan
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I like the cut very much.......today. I can't imagine WTF he was thinking and he sounds insufferable, frankly. Also, were your ends in back wet when you left, or just crunchy?
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It was still very wet at my roots, even though he had me hang my head backwards and diffused it for at least twenty minutes. My ends were straight up crunchy though. Absolutely dry. I took that picture about thirty seconds after I finished signing my credit card receipt.
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Well. I think this cut is very pretty, but since he's so bad at communicating, I'd feel leery about going back, even if it's to ask for the same thing.

I like the shape he gave you.
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Thanks you guys!! I was so relieved when my hair was finally dry enough this morning to see what it was going to do. SO. RELIEVED. I wish I was ballsy enough to demand my money back but at the end of the day, I am fine with the cut. It just occurred to me that he never asked me what style I wanted. I didn't show him a single photograph, nothing. He just went to whacking at my head. AND HE WAS THE OWNER. Bizarre!!! I may have to travel to Memphis for my next cut - this is the only Ouidad place around as far as I can tell, and there are no Deva stylists near here. I just don't know about this redneck state of mine.

Signed,

A resigned wavy Arkansan
Originally Posted by amberlaw
I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience! I was really shocked to see how the stylist let you walk out of the salon. The cut looks great though once you were able to clarify and style it yourself.

I'm a wavy in Memphis and haven't had a ton of luck myself. Was there any particular salon you had in mind? I haven't tried Great Lengths Hair Salon which has a few Deva certified stylists, but that's mostly because it's way out of my budget.

In February, I booked an appointment with Brittney Lepeard at D'Llands Hair Salon in Collierville, TN. She's young but she really took the time to listen to me despite the craziness that was going on in the salon that day. I can't remember what shampoo/conditioner she used on me but I do remember she wet cut my hair so that I could style my part on either side of my head. She also didn't use any styling products other than the Moroccanoil Treatment so I could see how my hair was going to lay once it was dry. On top of that, my cut actually cost me less than I thought it was going to so I ended up being able to tip her more.

D'Llands isn't a "CG" salon per say and Collierville may be a bit out of the way for you but if you're interested, here's a link to her staff bio: Stylist - D'Llands Hair & Nail Salon in Collierville, TN Right now she only cuts hair on Fridays and Saturdays. Either way, if you're in Memphis for a cut, I'd definitely like to hear about your experience!
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