The woes of a Wavie.

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I bought Graham Webb Making Waves this weekend as per Megnificent's recommendation. I like it! I'm still working with the amount, but so far so good.

I've been leaving in some conditioner, putting on CK, then the MW gel. It leaves my hair soft with nice waves. I'm anxious to try it with just a dab of Re:coil to see how that works.

Thanks, Meg!
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Now I'm interested in the Graham Webb. If it's available at Ulta, I'll stop by tomorrow and pick some up....

Some days I manage to convince myself I'm not a product junkie. Then I look in my cupboards and laugh.
Though I've learned - I only got the trial-size JessiCurl stuff, which was a good thing, as it didn't work for me. There's another system called "The MOroccan Method" or something like that, where I was able to order a whole bunch of trial sizes. And a good thing, too, since their "earth" shampoo made me feel like I was rubbing mud on my head and the conditioner made my hair completely limp!

I wish we could get samples of more products - I paid for all my sample-sized stuff, it was just really neat to be able to try without committing to huge bottles of stuff that I may not like or be able to use.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
Now I'm interested in the Graham Webb. If it's available at Ulta, I'll stop by tomorrow and pick some up....

Some days I manage to convince myself I'm not a product junkie. Then I look in my cupboards and laugh.

I wish we could get samples of more products - I paid for all my sample-sized stuff, it was just really neat to be able to try without committing to huge bottles of stuff that I may not like or be able to use.
Originally Posted by henchperson
, girl I know what you mean! I have so many things I need to get up on the Swap Board, but dread wading through it all, seeing how much is left and deciding on a price. And yes it would be nice to be able to get more sample sizes of things.

I tried the GWMW mixed with Re:coil yesterday over CK. Not good. The MW works much better for me layered over some leave-in and CK. It dries a little crunch, but since I usually have to fluff out my hair to get the top to get some fullness up there, it gives me some really nice, soft waves. It reminds me of Curls NECL.
My hair seems to have gotten straighter on top since I started CG. For a while it was looking good, but now it's always tangled and stringy. Even my beloved Elucence conditioner isn't helping anymore. Between you and me (and one other curlie I won't mention- name withheld to protect the innocent ), I was debating going back to 'cones, just to see if I could get different results knowing what I know now about taking care of wavy/curly hair. I'm too paranoid about damaging it again, though.
Originally Posted by utopiastars
This is why I call myself a "failed CG." Since my hair is wavy, not curly, my hair is not as dry or porous as people with curly hair. So the conditioner-only method worked for a while, then got to the point where my hair was weighed down by the conditioner residue - even after I shampooed it.
I've switched now to shampooing every other day and either conditioning or ACV-rinsing on the days I don't wash, and my hair is much happier this way. I understand that this is fairly common for wavies - our hair likes the CG system at first, but gets weighed down because our hair doesn't absorb the conditioner moisturizers the way a curly-haired person's would. My stylist told me this, but the CG system was still working for me, so I kept up the CO routine until one day I looked in the mirror and had shiny, soft, almost entirely straight hair. The weight of the conditioners had pulled my (very fine) hair down so much that most of the wave was gone.
After that, I sort of modified the CG system to fit my needs as a wavie. I don't need to shampoo every day, but I do need to shampoo more than once a week - or even twice a week - and I need to use a clarifying rinse (usually ACV) at least once a week. I've also learned, through trial and error, which conditioners are too heavy for my hair. Depressingly, the cheapo Suave conditioners are waaaay too heavy for me, as is the VO5. The Aubrey Organics were also too heavy, but I've settled with Giovanni (no cones, no sulfates, no parabens). I use their tea tree line and really, really like it.
I think that's the way it is with wavies - CG might work, but it's mighty moisture-intensive and a lot of wavies have hair that isn't dry. I know mine isn't, now that I'm no longer a platinum blonde - that was back in my twenties, when I thought that hair was just decoration and not something I actually had to care for in order for it to look good.

I still use a lot of the suggestions from the CG book - drying my hair with a microfiber towel, making some of the recipes in it (and finding more on my own), experimenting with just how much moisture my hair needs, and staying away from 'cones. Though I've also learned that my hair doesn't like sulfates, and that too much protein makes it look droopy and horrible.
The thing is that there are many kinds of 'cones, and some of them are water-soluble. If you do try an experimental "go" with a 'cone product, make sure it's one of the water-soluble ones so you can get rid of it easily. I know a fair number of women with very long hair who would not give up their water-soluble 'cones for anything. There's a list of the water-soluble ones out there - I have it bookmarked. If you'd like it, let me know and I'll PM it to you.
Wow, that was long post. I'll shut up now.
Originally Posted by henchperson
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't even see this! Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to me.

Okay, so my hair is freakishly weird. It's actually very thick, dry and porous for wavy hair, so it was doing great on CG. When I first started CG, my hair was so thirsty, I guess you could say, that it would suck up every drop of about 8 handfuls of conditioner. As my hair became healthier, I needed less conditioner. Using shampoo was like the kiss of death for my hair for at least a few days, so I only used a sulfate shampoo about once a month to remove any buildup.

I think the way I wash my hair and the way I plop has a lot to do with the straight, matted-down look of the hair on top of my head. But my hair gets super stringy and dried out if I try to wash/plop any other way. :x

I don't want to guano the thread too much, as I have a pretty serious problem (well, serious to me anyway), so I'm going to start another thread.

I would appreciate the list of water-soluble cones, though... I'm at work, so trying to find it at the moment would be a nightmare. :P Thanks!
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Hey everyone, some of us are asking Gretchen for a "General Discussion About Wavy Hair" forum. Here is the link to the Housekeeping thread

http://naturallycurly2.com/phpBB/vie...=874944#874944

It would be really great if the wavies posted their opinion on this!
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Nature's Gate Awapuhi Volumizing Conditioner
Graham Webb Making Waves gel
jojoba or coconut oil as a DT

Hair is pretty great now that it's colder, now I'm focusing on my skin. Sniffle.
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The woes of this wavy are finally behind me!! Yay!!

I used to want my hair to be something it isn't - curlier. Well, isn't this board about accepting our natural hair? My natural hair is wavy and I now love it! I can even get third day hair now that I have embraced my waves for what they are and I am not always attpempting to get it curlier in vain.

The routine that works for me is now:

Clarify on the weekend and follow with a protein DT then a moisturizing one. For clarifying I use Elucence Clarifying poo (once a month for hard water :x ) or a SLS poo watered down (B&A, Ojon, or Sebatian Potion 5). DT's rotate all the time :P

Then I use a leave-in (BWC, EMB, or Coco Light currently), then Curls Spiral Cream (just a dab),follow with a gel (HEHDG currently) and then use *gasp* Biosilk Silk Therapy, let air dry and then I pineapple overnight.

In the AM I use a spray leave-in to refresh (Jane Carter, MHC, Botanical Boost, Vitopro Fusion or whatever else in my arsenal I grab :P ) and follow with a spritz of gelebration. Then I plop in a shower cap while I shower.

Then I scrunch the cream of the day (NECL, CJ Protein one, MHC Type 2, ) smooth Blended Beauty Frizz pudding over it and top it off with Set it Free smoothed over my canopy, then I rescrunch and done.

I repeat this until I have to wet and then I use a SLS free poo and repeat until the weekend when I start all over again.

My hair takes about 10 minutes in the morning now And on the nights I wash it takes about 10 minutes then too (not including shower time)

I hope this helps someone else
My hair has looked so much better since "coming out" as a wavy. When I first decided to stop blow drying my hair straight after 30 some years (ok i didn't blow dry as an infant...) I was soo surprised by all the curliness, that I thought I was a curly. I tried all the curly products and routines and never got the results everyone else did. Recently, i have come to realize I am a wavy/curly hybrid. Looking at pictures in the 2c and 2c forums and then reading about products, techniques, and expectations has really helped me.

Like henchperson , I am growing my hair longer than it has been in a long time (probably about 10 years) and have just reached little ponytail stage. Little ponytail stage is the only thing that is keeping me from shaving the whole mop off when it's humid out :x

I hope Gretchen does decide to start a General Discussion for Wavy Hair forum, I think it would be great!!
2c/3a
Back on sulfates and cones! HE TTwisted Condish, HE Color Me poo, Curls Spiral Curl Cream, sometimes Tigi Curls Rock Amplifier.

Like henchperson , I am growing my hair longer than it has been in a long time (probably about 10 years) and have just reached little ponytail stage. Little ponytail stage is the only thing that is keeping me from shaving the whole mop off when it's humid out :
Originally Posted by cornflower5
You have enough for a ponytail? I'm so jealous.

Right now, barettes and headbands are my best friends. Along with the jojoba oil that keeps my dry scalp happy and lets me use the shampoo that's right for my hair, not my scalp. And it only took me twenty years to realize they're different things!
Chicago is having a....I don't know how to describe it. A cold wave? We've had the heat on for the last few days and my hair has been drying nearly straight. I am not panicking. Outwardly.
Though my dad did say to me that he thinks the get the waves from his side of the family. I did not point out to dad that he and his brother and my cousin have corkscrew curls and I have sort-of-wavy hair. I feel like I lost the genetic lottery for curly hair.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
The woes of this wavy are finally behind me!! Yay!!

I used to want my hair to be something it isn't - curlier. Well, isn't this board about accepting our natural hair? My natural hair is wavy and I now love it! I can even get third day hair now that I have embraced my waves for what they are and I am not always attpempting to get it curlier in vain.

The routine that works for me is now:

Clarify on the weekend and follow with a protein DT then a moisturizing one. For clarifying I use Elucence Clarifying poo (once a month for hard water :x ) or a SLS poo watered down (B&A, Ojon, or Sebatian Potion 5). DT's rotate all the time :P

Then I use a leave-in (BWC, EMB, or Coco Light currently), then Curls Spiral Cream (just a dab),follow with a gel (HEHDG currently) and then use *gasp* Biosilk Silk Therapy, let air dry and then I pineapple overnight.

In the AM I use a spray leave-in to refresh (Jane Carter, MHC, Botanical Boost, Vitopro Fusion or whatever else in my arsenal I grab :P ) and follow with a spritz of gelebration. Then I plop in a shower cap while I shower.

Then I scrunch the cream of the day (NECL, CJ Protein one, MHC Type 2, ) smooth Blended Beauty Frizz pudding over it and top it off with Set it Free smoothed over my canopy, then I rescrunch and done.

I repeat this until I have to wet and then I use a SLS free poo and repeat until the weekend when I start all over again.

My hair takes about 10 minutes in the morning now And on the nights I wash it takes about 10 minutes then too (not including shower time)

I hope this helps someone else
Originally Posted by CelticMoonDance
Translation please? lol. It seems like you have a great thing going and I'd like to see if it may help my wavy hair but I dont understand any of those abbreviations cause Im still semi-new you can message me if that easeir.

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Growing out hair to a little above bsl
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Hello wavies!

I look a pretty long break from NC.com for a while because I was getting way too many products that it was bogging me down. I have finally got a better hold of my hair, but being a wavy, I am always looking for some way to control it.

I got rid of TONS of products that I don't use any more and it is so freeing! Right now, all I use is John Frieda Sheer Blonde s/c and Matrix Color.Smart Nourishing Shine Cream. It gives pretty good hold, but sometimes I'll use a little Loreal Curl Vive Spray Gel over the top which really helps! I am also a fan of Biolage Color Care s/c and wanting to get back to using Boots again for when I go wavy/curly.

I usually wear my hair in a ponytail while at school but have been having fun playing with my hair on weekends... wavy, attempting curls, straightening... that's the nice thing about being a wavy... you have lots of options!

This has been one of my favorite threads for a long time cause it's so nice to hear others with the same hair struggles as me!
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
Me too, unique! I just joined, and I'm trying to glean some information for what might work for my 2a/b hair, and some definitions would be of great help. For example, what is plopping, and what about CK?

My biggest struggle is getting the right amount of the right kind of products. I generally leave in a bit of conditioner, and then scrunch with gel, but if i have too much gel, then it looks alright, but it's crispy, and if I have too much conditioner, then it's limp. If I have too much of both, then it's limp and crispy - ick! - and if there's not enough of either, then it's just a massive frizzball. Sometimes I actually can get it to work, but even in the best of cases, it's slightly crispy. My best friend, a 3a/b, has found a routine that works for her, and leaves it sooo soft. Mine, on the other hand, needs far less moisture and far more encouragement than hers, so i have yet to find a combination of products and amounts to get mine to do the same. Now that I have a job again, I'm looking to do some experimenting for what might work. Any product suggestions are apprieciated
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What a great topic!! I need to come to the 2 board more often because that is basically what I am "A WAVIE". But this board seems pretty unactive.

I do not know about everyone else, but ever since going CG, I have spent an unbelievable amount of money on trying to find things that will work for me in the last 2 1/2 months. And you know what. I haven't found much at all. Maybe three products!!!! And I am DEAD BROKE!!!

How hard does this all have to be. I get on the General Discussion Board and see all of these curlies with absolutely beautiful hair and it just makes me depressed!!

And the enormous work I have to go thru, just to try to keep my hair looking good WOW!! Seems like I just can't EVER get enough conditioner, no matter what.

Ugggg..........
I'm glad that this thread has been revived; it's nice to see other girls struggling with the same hair troubles as I, especially in view of the fact that whenever I look at the general curly board, I turn green with CURL ENVY (hence the need for a General Wavy Board)! I'm trying to find out exactly how much curl I've been faking over the last few months by caking in the gel.

I am currently feeling henchperson's plight - trying to accept the fact that my hair will never be curly, and trying to become a product minimalist :P.

I've discovered many techniques that have helped, as well as my discovery of BRHG. Thankyouthankyouthankyou, LavenderCurls, for the warm welcome and all of your help! It is GREATLY appreciated.

I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that my hair is a true 2a - EXACTLY like Joss Stone's hair in the curltypes article (only chocolate brown instead ). It's very fine and soft, but there is definately no *boing* to speak of, as much as I wish there was. *Sigh* Not much volume, either, to my dismay.

So I'm going to be having a consultation at a local salon here in London, Ontario - I was recommended to it by someone working at a salon supply store. I'll likely be meeting with the stylist in question next week. If I like what she's suggesting for my hair, I'll get her to cut it. If I REALLY like what shes suggesting, I'll have her cut it right after the consulation. If I don't like it/her/have a bad feeling about the whole thing, then I'm going to keep browsing.

Wish me luck - I need all that I'm going to be able to get.
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My hair seems to have gotten straighter on top since I started CG. For a while it was looking good, but now it's always tangled and stringy. Even my beloved Elucence conditioner isn't helping anymore. Between you and me (and one other curlie I won't mention- name withheld to protect the innocent ), I was debating going back to 'cones, just to see if I could get different results knowing what I know now about taking care of wavy/curly hair. I'm too paranoid about damaging it again, though.
Originally Posted by utopiastars
This is why I call myself a "failed CG." Since my hair is wavy, not curly, my hair is not as dry or porous as people with curly hair. So the conditioner-only method worked for a while, then got to the point where my hair was weighed down by the conditioner residue - even after I shampooed it.
I've switched now to shampooing every other day and either conditioning or ACV-rinsing on the days I don't wash, and my hair is much happier this way. I understand that this is fairly common for wavies - our hair likes the CG system at first, but gets weighed down because our hair doesn't absorb the conditioner moisturizers the way a curly-haired person's would. My stylist told me this, but the CG system was still working for me, so I kept up the CO routine until one day I looked in the mirror and had shiny, soft, almost entirely straight hair. The weight of the conditioners had pulled my (very fine) hair down so much that most of the wave was gone.
After that, I sort of modified the CG system to fit my needs as a wavie. I don't need to shampoo every day, but I do need to shampoo more than once a week - or even twice a week - and I need to use a clarifying rinse (usually ACV) at least once a week. I've also learned, through trial and error, which conditioners are too heavy for my hair. Depressingly, the cheapo Suave conditioners are waaaay too heavy for me, as is the VO5. The Aubrey Organics were also too heavy, but I've settled with Giovanni (no cones, no sulfates, no parabens). I use their tea tree line and really, really like it.
I think that's the way it is with wavies - CG might work, but it's mighty moisture-intensive and a lot of wavies have hair that isn't dry. I know mine isn't, now that I'm no longer a platinum blonde - that was back in my twenties, when I thought that hair was just decoration and not something I actually had to care for in order for it to look good.

I still use a lot of the suggestions from the CG book - drying my hair with a microfiber towel, making some of the recipes in it (and finding more on my own), experimenting with just how much moisture my hair needs, and staying away from 'cones. Though I've also learned that my hair doesn't like sulfates, and that too much protein makes it look droopy and horrible.
The thing is that there are many kinds of 'cones, and some of them are water-soluble. If you do try an experimental "go" with a 'cone product, make sure it's one of the water-soluble ones so you can get rid of it easily. I know a fair number of women with very long hair who would not give up their water-soluble 'cones for anything. There's a list of the water-soluble ones out there - I have it bookmarked. If you'd like it, let me know and I'll PM it to you.
Wow, that was long post. I'll shut up now.
Originally Posted by henchperson
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't even see this! Thanks so much for taking the time to respond to me.

Okay, so my hair is freakishly weird. It's actually very thick, dry and porous for wavy hair, so it was doing great on CG. When I first started CG, my hair was so thirsty, I guess you could say, that it would suck up every drop of about 8 handfuls of conditioner. As my hair became healthier, I needed less conditioner. Using shampoo was like the kiss of death for my hair for at least a few days, so I only used a sulfate shampoo about once a month to remove any buildup.

I think the way I wash my hair and the way I plop has a lot to do with the straight, matted-down look of the hair on top of my head. But my hair gets super stringy and dried out if I try to wash/plop any other way. :x

I don't want to guano the thread too much, as I have a pretty serious problem (well, serious to me anyway), so I'm going to start another thread.

I would appreciate the list of water-soluble cones, though... I'm at work, so trying to find it at the moment would be a nightmare. :P Thanks!
Originally Posted by utopiastars
Hi, may i have the list of water-soluble cones tooThanks!
*BUMP*


This is a great thread My problem is that I feel like I can't just let my hair be natural...cause natural means a huge poof ball of frizz! Granted, I'm still in the process of changing how I act to my hair. But the frizz is what kills me. Do any of you wavies notice it's not just frizz, but it's CURLED frizz?? It's like I have all these tiny curled hairs all over, and my hair isn't curly! So they're very hard to get down with just product.

I am glad though that I'm finally admitting that my hair is wavy lol. Since forever I've been brushing my hair out, which makes it straighter but very poofy, then dumping gallons of silicone products in it to make it flat. Or straightening it all the time which kills your hair. Enough! I want to just have my hair how it naturally wants to be. The only problem is my hair naturally wants to be frizzy
*sigh* Thus, my terror and curiosity of the CG routine. I keep thinking, maybe there are more curls in there! Maybe all the cones are keeping them down even though I use them in things like suave's healthy curls shampoo and condish and garnier's C&S leave-in! Then I think, no, CG's moisture would be baaad, just like for all those other wavies, because let's face it, I only have one section of face-framing curls. My hair will be smothered. But CG may help those curls! But it will kill every other hair on my head. But people get more curl. But people have pulled out all the curl. But - BLEH. Enough. What's a wavie to do??!!

Anybody have the CG book? I hear they have a wavy routine...if you tried CG I assume you tried it that way - if that doesn't work for so many wavies, she should rework it so it does!! What makes it different from the curl routine, anyway?
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*sigh* Thus, my terror and curiosity of the CG routine. I keep thinking, maybe there are more curls in there! Maybe all the cones are keeping them down even though I use them in things like suave's healthy curls shampoo and condish and garnier's C&S leave-in! Then I think, no, CG's moisture would be baaad, just like for all those other wavies, because let's face it, I only have one section of face-framing curls. My hair will be smothered. But CG may help those curls! But it will kill every other hair on my head. But people get more curl. But people have pulled out all the curl. But - BLEH. Enough. What's a wavie to do??!!

Anybody have the CG book? I hear they have a wavy routine...if you tried CG I assume you tried it that way - if that doesn't work for so many wavies, she should rework it so it does!! What makes it different from the curl routine, anyway?
Originally Posted by wild_sasparilla
I'm working the CG wavy routine. I have the book and the largest difference between the wavy and curly routines is frequency of 'poo. Wavy gets a weekly 'poo and curly does not. I use a-cone, love oneC and condition most days and I'm only cleansing (no-poo or jessicurl hcc or gls) once a week, no co-washing. I have *tons* more curl than I did 6 months ago (many comments when seeing family for the first time in months over the holidays) but I am still a wavy.
Don't get me wrong - it isn't all sunshine and light. I still have days where I can't believe how bad my hair looks but usually, those are days where I'm experimenting or the weather changed. In general, I'm starting to feel that I have a handle on what works for me and the wavy CG routine is it.
I've also instituted a very mild CG routine on my straight-haired daughter. We've used just conditioner on her (suave or my jessicurl if she's in with me) and her straight hair is getting loose waves in it - at the ends so I know it's not new growth.

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Hello girls! I decided to pay a visit here and was surprised to see that wavies are having so many problems when I thought you guys should have it easy!

Well, I can speak with some experience because when I lived in the N.E. almost 10 years ago I was convinced I was a wavy, the drier air relaxed my hair quite a bit. Of course, I shampooed as everyone did back then, but only twice a week, and also by then I'd already discovered that it was better to dilute the shampoo in 2-3 parts of water.

Most of the time I let my hair air dry and only touched up the front and crown with a hot air brush because it was cut in short layers, then I used a pick to "comb" it or one of those vent brushes with flexible bristles ending in rubber tips.

Between shampoos, I didn't try to sleep on my loose hair. I'd grown around adult women who always rolled their hair in some kind of way at night so I "knew" help was needed if I wanted nice hair everyday. I did a variation of pin curls called "stand-up pin curls" and once I'd learned how to do them it only took me about 10 minutes at bedtime. I would separate my hair in sections at the crown, L&R sides, L&R mid-back and center back. On the crown I'd put 2-3 curlers so the hair would not flatten out but the other sections I'd just divide in 2 or 3 at most and roll each sub-section with my fingers towards the scalp and secure with one large bobby pin on each side, very often I'd use a tube of mascara as a "guide", then I'd slide it off so I could put the pins in. I'd cover them with a hairnet (the thicker type) and in the morning all I had to do was run a pick through my hair after removing the pins and curlers and this would last perfectly all day with no gel (but others may need to use it). I'd use a cream or lotion hair dressing during the winter to moisturize the ends.

It may sound like work but it really became second nature for me almost like removing my make-up and brushing my teeth before going to bed. I still do this sometimes when I straighten so I won't have to wet my hair for several days.

Here's pics of a head full of regular pin curls and stand-up curls http://www.hairboutique.com/tips/tip180026.htm. They don't recommend bobby pins but I had no dents using the large ones.
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Hello girls! I've been CG for almost a year now and it's been my experience that it takes constant tweeking to get the "right" formula for your hair. It took my hair about three months to straiten up and curl right - LOL! I am still changing things as needed. I found a great product line that I love, but if it stops working as well, then I'll switch. Those first days of CG can be really hard while you hair adjusts. You also have to figure out if you need to CO wash, low-poo or what. Hang in there!! It is SO worth it!

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