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Old 12-29-2006, 07:39 PM   #221
 
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I'm still trying to figure out what my crazy hair likes . The winter is hard for me . My hair can be curly one day and wavy and straight the next or a combo of all three .In the summer my hair has tight curls .
I'm starting to think my hair does better with low poo either everyday or every other . I noticed that its definitely flatter after I've gone a few days with either no poo or just water washing and CO . My hair seems to be fuller and curlier with low poo. Although that might change tomorrow .
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My hair is very tempermental.. One minute I'm a nice curly 3a with some ringletts and spirals and the next minute I'm a loose 2b with loads of frizz. Last night my hair decided to be a fluffy 2c. Maybe once I get my hair cut and start using my new products more regularly then I'll have some consistency.
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Old 12-30-2006, 08:36 PM   #223
 
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I believe that hair becomes "temperamental" when it's either damaged, it "needs" something that it's not getting, or too much of what it doesn't need - bottom line, it's trying to tell us we're not treating it right. When our hair is well hydrated (but not over-conditioned) it has no trouble assuming it's true curl, it clumps better and holds its shape longer. From your product list I'm assuming you are on CG, how long have you been on this routine?
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I believe that hair becomes "temperamental" when it's either damaged, it "needs" something that it's not getting, or too much of what it doesn't need - bottom line, it's trying to tell us we're not treating it right. When our hair is well hydrated (but not over-conditioned) it has no trouble assuming it's true curl, it clumps better and holds its shape longer. From your product list I'm assuming you are on CG, how long have you been on this routine?
I wish I knew what my hair needed then! Granted I've only been on the CG routine for 2 weeks, but I'm really considering just going back to straightening my hair (but keeping the cowashing, I like that a lot!)

I don't know if any other wavies experience this, but does anyone else have a bunch of random shorter curled hairs everywhere?? It's like any hair that isn't long enough becomes curled outwards. So it's hard cause I have to put in so much product to keep them all down.
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Old 12-31-2006, 06:47 PM   #225
 
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I'm definately a curly wannabe. CG does take awhile to work out. Try keeping a hair journal. A notebook in the bathroom to jot down what you tried each day and the results at the end of the day. This really helped me to narrow things down.

It's hard not to get "curl envy" looking at all this great hair around here. But, it helps to keep a "natural hair" mantra in mind.
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Old 12-31-2006, 10:54 PM   #226
 
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Ah well, only 2 weeks is way too soon to figure ANYTHING out! Be patient and don't get discouraged, like WavingNotCurling says it takes some time. And don't be surprised if after you think you've "arrived" a change of weather throws you a curve, our hair needs change with the seasons so we have to tweak or change our routine to fit its new needs.

The journal is a great idea, especially in a notebook. I've kept mine in my PC but that's not so practical because sometimes I forget to look ahead of time and end up using something else that what I should.

And, oh yes, that curl envy is something most of us go through, some wavies want to be Botticellis, some Boticellis want to be corkscrews and vice-versa! I think it just boils down to wanting what we don't have just out of boredom. Although my first year I was pretty happy I would've wanted my curls to be a little tighter so it became a habit to try to encourage my hair to curl more, but the happy news is that I stopped wanting to be straight long ago and that is a very liberating feeling. I became so proud of my natural hair that when I straightened occasionally I feared anyone would insinuate I looked better that way, so I began doing it less and less. According to my journal I was straightening about once every 2 months but after July it was even less, to me it just wasn't worth it to put all that heat on my delicate curls.
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:51 PM   #227
 
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I believe that hair becomes "temperamental" when it's either damaged, it "needs" something that it's not getting, or too much of what it doesn't need - bottom line, it's trying to tell us we're not treating it right. When our hair is well hydrated (but not over-conditioned) it has no trouble assuming it's true curl, it clumps better and holds its shape longer. From your product list I'm assuming you are on CG, how long have you been on this routine?
I'm a very new CGer..when I get paid again, I'll be buying the book. My hair is quite damaged and I am working on reviving it. Prior to liking my curls, I straightened my hair about 2 times a week using a blowdryer before hand. I used many silicone filled products and sulfate loaded shampoos because I really didn't know any better! I have also been coloring my hair for 7 years. Yea, it needs help!
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Old 01-01-2007, 12:46 AM   #228
 
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Well, I think all curlies here have a very similar hair past to yours, and not knowing how to take care of our curls is the one thing we all have had in common at one point or another. You are now in the right place, everyone here wants to help and share, it really is a sisterhood of sorts. And you're starting one of the best routines for our kind of hair so it can only get better from here on.

You will have to trim your hair fairly often to get rid of the old frayed ends as those could keep you from having good curl formation but if you massage your scalp daily you can help your hair to grow faster and healthier.
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Ah well, only 2 weeks is way too soon to figure ANYTHING out! Be patient and don't get discouraged, like WavingNotCurling says it takes some time. And don't be surprised if after you think you've "arrived" a change of weather throws you a curve, our hair needs change with the seasons so we have to tweak or change our routine to fit its new needs.

The journal is a great idea, especially in a notebook. I've kept mine in my PC but that's not so practical because sometimes I forget to look ahead of time and end up using something else that what I should.
Yeah, it just sucks being embarrised/self concious of my hair everyday! Cause one second it's all big and frizzy, but then the next I look in the mirror and it's like "oh wow, it calmed down and looks ok", but then later on it's bad again. I just haven't found a product that works well with my hair yet.

I notice in this thread a lot of people talk about needing a creamy light hold product, is there any of this I could find in the drugstore (don't want to buy stuff online)? I tried mousse yesterday, my hair looked kinda ok but had to put lots in!
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Well, I think all curlies here have a very similar hair past to yours, and not knowing how to take care of our curls is the one thing we all have had in common at one point or another. You are now in the right place, everyone here wants to help and share, it really is a sisterhood of sorts. And you're starting one of the best routines for our kind of hair so it can only get better from here on.

You will have to trim your hair fairly often to get rid of the old frayed ends as those could keep you from having good curl formation but if you massage your scalp daily you can help your hair to grow faster and healthier.
Yea, I do notice that my ends are kind of straight from being damaged. I'm getting a good cut hopefully next week.
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Old 01-01-2007, 06:04 PM   #231
 
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blue79:

I could try to help you identify some of your hair needs if you please describe your hair in detail. That means you must include texture (i.e., fine, medium or coarse), length, condition i.e., fairly healthy, slightly, moderately or very damaged), whether "virgin" or colored (even if you returned to your own color) or growing out a relaxer, and your climate. Then please detail all the products you're now using and how you apply them - if you're in another country please include list of ingredients for each one of them.

In the future I suggest you include where you're from in your profile and the other details in your signature that way anyone trying to help you can immediately have an idea of your climate and hair type.
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Old 01-07-2007, 09:55 PM   #232
 
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omigosh, ladies, when I started reading this thread, I could've cried -- I've finally found people who're living w/the same confusion/frustration w/their hair that I am!! I can't TELL y'all what a relief it was to learn I'm NOT the only one in this boat...! LOL

my hair history in a nutshell: my hair was always poker-straight (Fia's 1a) until I was pg w/my dd (now 3 going on 30 w/touches of 10 and 20 ;-\ LOL), then my hair decided it wanted to go wavy on me (2a right now, w/rare but shocking 4a's) -- gotta love hormones and mish-moshed heredity! so here I am, in my mid-30s, trying to learn my hair all over again and struggling to find something that looks AND feels nice and doesn't take forever to fix (I've got 3 kids, for the love -- 20 mins of peace for a shower is hard to come by, so I'm doing good to be clean and not stink, let alone look fabulous ;-\ LOL)... I have "virgin" hair colour (I've always been too chicken to colour my hair), but I used to perm the bajeebers out of it until I was about 25 (why is it we always want what we don't have??); I've never been really big on product, but that's largely due to the fact that there are too many options and I still don't understand my hair... ;-\ LOL

I've been reading this forum -- and this thread in particular -- since about 6:30 this evening (I did take a 1/2-hr break around 7:30 to get my kiddos to bed), and it's now 9:30 here...! I've found so many good ideas here, so many things to try to help my hair... I haven't been fighting it so much as neglecting it -- my dh even asked me the other day when I was going to cut it, since I rarely wear it down (it's BSL, but it's almost always up in a twist or back in an elastic b/c I can't figure out what the heck to do w/it that doesn't take hours of doing!)... honestly, I love my length, and my hair's very healthy overall (and every stylist I've ever been to always tells me that my hair is "very thick for a blonde"), but I have this appalling no-style hairstyle that I need to shed and give my poor hair a life! my sis gave me the # for an "amazing" stylist out here who does makeovers for a big H&B product company, so I think it's time for me to find that woman's # and set up an appt...!

thank you Thank You THANK YOU for giving me some much-needed validation, inspiration, and motivation!! I'll definitely be hanging around these boards more (even if I don't post much) as I learn about my "new" hair...!

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Old 01-08-2007, 11:20 AM   #233
 
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Welcome to the wavy boards! Glad you're finding lots of info. SLC seems to be extra hard on wavies/curlies, not sure what it is. Good luck!
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thx teela! I'm new to Utah (only lived here for about 8 mos now) -- moved here from South Texas (San Antonio), so my poor hair has gone from a climate that's ultra-humid to one that's unbelievably dry (my skin's not loving the change, either ;-\ LOL), plus winter is just typically such a dry time of year anyway, and from what I can tell, it's even worse out here in "high desert" country... I had hard water back home, too, but SLC has different hard water (I'm guessing it's just different minerals in the aquifers), so there are plenty of things my poor hair's having to get used to -- no wonder it looks stressed out...! ;-\ LOL thx again for the welcome!

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Hi Tanya, welcome to your new hangout ! Like you, I was so relieved to find others like me and wished we'd have had something like this site back like in the .. oh .. 70's to help with our crazy hair!!

Jump in and ask questions and vent your hair frustrations - we love to help!
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Old 01-08-2007, 03:33 PM   #236
 
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Hey Tanya, welcome to the boards and Happy New Year!

I hope you don't run and do anything drastic to your hair, hopefully you can keep most of your length and have nice hair with a minimum of fuss. I happen to believe that a dry climate is way better for wavy, full hair that a humid one. Oh Lord, when I came here to S. FL in '97 I felt like I'd stepped into a "hair nightmare" after having lived as a trouble-free wavy in DE for 10 years. Looking back I can't believe that I struggled for 5 years trying to figure out what to do with my hair. What "saved" me from the madness was reading the "Curly Girl" book. So, I am naturally going to recommend that you read it and try to embrace the shampoo-less routine. Done right it's as simple as can be because once you apply gel (or if you're lucky a leave-in only) all you have to do is let your hair air dry and then "fluff" it (so it doesn't stick flat to your scalp).

If you want to get familiar with that routine now, I advice that you go back to the index and locate the "Shampoo-less" forum and invest any bit of time you can "steal" away from those "kidlets" reading threads there. In fact, I'm going to save you a little time, just click here and look up where I describe how to do a CO (conditioner) wash: http://www.naturallycurly.com/phpBB/...r=asc&start=20
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hi Lav, and thx! Southeast Texas, huh? you anywhere near Houston? sometimes I really miss home, but I'm slowly getting used to Utah (having the dh here definitely makes it easier <g>)...

Happy New Year to you, too, Half, and thx for posting that link...! btw, girl, WOW -- your knowledge of product ingredients is nothing short of AMAZING!! there might be plenty of people on here who refer to themselves as PJs, but I think you clearly qualify as a PS (product scholar)...! if I ever wonder what the heck an ingredient is/does, I know who to ask!!

I just bought CG (gotta love Amazon! ), and I'm really intrigued by what I might learn from it... I tried Ouidad products last year, and while I liked them and felt like they did make a difference in the texture and manageability of my hair, it's hard to overcome a bad haircut (or maybe more accurately, a haircut that's been growing out since...uhm...August?? I don't even remember...! LOL)... there were a few techniques I picked up from her site as well (I don't remember seeing anything about her book on her site, so maybe it wasn't published back then), but not anything that I'd consider miraculous... altho' at this point I'm not hoping for "miracle" -- just "manageable" would be great!! LOL

I definitely won't do anything too drastic w/my cut/shape (my poor dh would probably have heart failure LOL), but I bet a wavy-friendly cut would be a big step in the right direction... and I should probably invest in some product, huh? when I was younger I used to play w/my hair way more than I do now, but I guess if I'm going to learn how to take proper care of this long wavy hair (and have it looking like tresses instead of just mess), I'm going to have to start playing w/my hair AND w/product a lot more than I'm used to... part of my problem is I'm just CHEAP (which is silly, frankly, since we're well enough off) and the thought of starting my very own trial-and-error product graveyard is a bit nerve-wracking... LOL but by strange coincidence I happened to buy HE's BE poo/condish this last time, and I'm noticing that after a month of so of use it's starting to irritate my scalp (I only wash my hair about every 2-3 days as it is, and I've never had this problem w/any other product I've ever used), so I need to switch to something else anyway... anybody have any product suggestions for a 2a w/generally healthy BSL hair in a dry climate??

oh, and ladies, thx for making me feel so welcome! as catty as many women can be about physical appearance, it's wonderfully refreshing to become part of a community that's so friendly and genuinely supportive!!

*MWAH!*
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Well, thanks for the praise but it does help that I went to beauty school and the many resources we have today, not just books anymore but a wealth of info on the "net" makes it easy for anyone interested to learn all they want. You'll soon realize I'm by no means the only one here that knows a lot about ingredients, soon you'll find out about Laurabeth who has done quite a bit of research, and there are many others that at least know their way around the product aisles because they can recognize not just what to avoid but what to look for. If you keep your eyes wide open in no time you'll know the basics too, lol!

So glad you ordered CG, it's better IMO than Ouidad's book, not perfect because there are a few things that are not totally clear but you can get them all sorted out with us here.

I am of the opinion that it's not always necessary to spend crazy amounts of money in order to get decent hair. The key is, in as I said before, learlning what to avoid and what to look for. For instance, HE include objectionable ingredients in their shampoos and COs so you'll do well in staying away from them. From a drugstore, Garnier Fructis seems to work well for some (but I'm really not sure about wavies). I am very partial towards COs sold in health food stores because they contain the least amount of synthetic ingredients and more of what can actually nourish or help our hair, besides fewer harmful ingredients. If you "waltz" over to the "Reader's Product Reviews" and pay particular attention to recommendations from other wavies you may find products that agree with your hair much faster.

The reason here we're all eager to share and help is because we've all been through pretty much the same, years of straightening or "suffering" in trying to figure out what to do with our hair because in the past no one knew a thing that was really helpful. Al that gives us empathy, lol, and creates a bond with others that is really a very cool thing. I bet as soon as you begin to have some success you'll feel like "mentoring" other wavies or curlies yourself!
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Sorry, dp!
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Hi Tanya,
SLC does have really wierd water. I moved here from Colorado which actually had lower humidity (yes it is possible!) but way better water quality. My hair always looked great there, but since moving here I've really had to tweak my routine. I didn't shampoo for over 5 months in Colorado, but here I'm finding that I can't quite pull off a conditioner only routine so I've been shampooing about weekly and that's helping me out. FYI, there's sortof a SLC meet in the works once it warms up over on the meet board if you want to check in there. We can all lament over the hard water together
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