The woes of a Wavie.

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FYI, there's sortof a SLC meet in the works...We can all lament over the hard water together
Originally Posted by teela1978
sounds like fun, Lisa! I'll have to check out the "meet" board -- thx for the info!

*MWAH!*
Tanya
mostly 2a/2b (so far) w/rare and random 4a's, fine but thick, BSL dark caramel blonde; wavy CG since Jan07 -- VO5 Passion Fruit Smoothie cond (looking into Activate products), weekly "Lemon Aid" clarifier, HE TT gel
Another wavy here!
I read through this thread nodding my head and saying to myself "oh yeah, I've done that, too!" LOL Good to know there are a lot of us here. Some days with plenty of luck, ambition and curl cream my hair forms into some really lovely spirals; then other days it's limp and dull as if being so beautiful the day before just wore it plumb out.

But honestly, I think we wavies are lucky that our hair is so versatile. We *can* usually get it straight or curly without having to rely too much on chemicals or harsh styling tools. Having unpredictable hair is just part of the fun.
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FYI, there's sortof a SLC meet in the works...We can all lament over the hard water together
Originally Posted by teela1978
sounds like fun, Lisa! I'll have to check out the "meet" board -- thx for the info!

*MWAH!*
Tanya
Originally Posted by mommiepretty
, I was trying to figure out how you knew my name with a quote I didn't make ! My name is Lisa, too .

Anyway, I live north of Houston in the Woodlands area and go to San Antonio very often - love the Riverwalk!!!
CG-modified since 4/05
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Products: The hair aisle in my own cabinets.
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Hi there, Blackbird!! Yep, this hair thing is a daily adventure !
CG-modified since 4/05
2b/3a and 3b on occasion!
Products: The hair aisle in my own cabinets.
Best definition winner: KCCC
Best volume winner: LOOB
Gosh but there are a lot of Lisas on hair boards. I think we might be taking over!
Fine Wavy (2a)
Weeklyish shampoo with CO's inbetween to keep down the grease.
Another wavy here!
I read through this thread nodding my head and saying to myself "oh yeah, I've done that, too!" LOL Good to know there are a lot of us here. Some days with plenty of luck, ambition and curl cream my hair forms into some really lovely spirals; then other days it's limp and dull as if being so beautiful the day before just wore it plumb out.

But honestly, I think we wavies are lucky that our hair is so versatile. We *can* usually get it straight or curly without having to rely too much on chemicals or harsh styling tools. Having unpredictable hair is just part of the fun.
Originally Posted by blackbird668
The part before the wink was so funny, tired hair, a new one

And your view is a very positive one, same thing I've always said of wavy hair myself, full of possibilities, especially for those with a little manual dexterity and the desire to learn. When I was younger I know my hair was really wavier than it is now but with roller sets, "wrap-arounds", stand-up pin curls and such I could and still can have just about any style I want but, for instance, coarse straight hair will not hold a curl to save its life!
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
blue79:

I could try to help you identify some of your hair needs if you please describe your hair in detail. That means you must include texture (i.e., fine, medium or coarse), length, condition i.e., fairly healthy, slightly, moderately or very damaged), whether "virgin" or colored (even if you returned to your own color) or growing out a relaxer, and your climate. Then please detail all the products you're now using and how you apply them - if you're in another country please include list of ingredients for each one of them.

In the future I suggest you include where you're from in your profile and the other details in your signature that way anyone trying to help you can immediately have an idea of your climate and hair type.
Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Thanks! Sorry it took me awhile to respond, I've been straightening my hair so haven't been back in a bit. Ok to describe my hair in detail....well, I'm not exactly sure, I guess I'm a 2b? Not quite sure what all 3 types look like per say, but that's what I think I am. It feels soft yet very poofy(well less poofy if I don't comb/brush). I have tons of small hairs all over that curl/kink individually which looks bad and frizzy. My hair currently is color-free, no relaxer. I don't know if it's damaged, I would assume not too much since it's free of dye, though I have been straightening it/blowdrying it a few times a week, but have only really started doing that a few months ago. Before that I was just brushing it out, then slathering tons of silicones on to weigh it down. Style is past shoulder length but not super long. I live in New England, so the climate is all over the place, one week it's warm the next it's snowing

Routine: I'm still doing modified CG, meaning wash once a week with a nonsulfate shampoo (once in awhile with a sulfate if hair feels heavy), and cowashing inbetween that. So far with the products I've tried, my hair tends to get stringy waves/curls that look too producty or just continues to frizz. It does get way wavier/curlier with products, moreso then I ever knew it could, however it seems like my hair is kind of confused lol, like I will have a spiral curl in the back, right next to a stick straight piece of hair, and also some waves that will have a weird pattern.
will keep everyone posted on "Perfect Wavy Product Search '04".
These are the things I know for sure:
Wavies are not straight, wavies are not curlies, wavies are sometimes straight and sometimes curly depending on the weather and time of day. Wavy hair almost NEVER looks the same way twice...EVER. This is frustrating in that a product that makes your hair look good one day but not the next. A curl enhancer may woek great one day when your haie decides it is in a 'curly" mood, but the next day it may want to be sraight and the sme product will look gunky & dirty. One day a light leave in may produce full sof waves...add some hunidity next day & you have uncontrollable frizz. wavy hair is extremely sensitive to over/under conditioning and improper use of styling products. Wavy hair can look amazing, but often due to some cleansing/conditioning/styling/meteoralogical imbalance it can also look like hell. wavy haie probably has more "bad hair days" that straight ore true curlies bechuase our hair is largely schzophrenic, two-faced & generally unreliable. People with wavy hair have to have a great sense of humor. Wavy haired people have to be able to adapt at a moment's notice and accept change, because our hair can, and will go from curly to wavy to pin straight just by adding or removing a ponytail elastc or barrette. I think the best wavies can hope for is a styling cream with NO hold, no silicone, no protien that will define & defrizz our waves yet leave one able to run one's fingers completely through it without creating a heap of frizz. I don't know much, but Damnit, I know my hair. Here's hoping someone out there will be creative like jJss McGuinty and develop a line just for wavies...maybe "Wonderful Waves". who knows. one can hope though.
Originally Posted by eastcoastwaves
That explains it, then. That's me.

I agree about being adaptable and accepting change bec. that's my hair! I can have these cute waves approaching even a curl, or even have some 3a curls in my hair. Then, boom....put in a barrette and it's gone! Gone to a barely-recognizable, lifeless wave. Huh, more like a flip at the end.

As for the frizz.........my hair is not going to have hold over me. If I want to run my fingers through it, I will. Let it frizz.
blue79:

Welcome back! If you want to see what the different hair types look like click here.

Personally, I don’t fully agree with “eastcoastwaves”. Precisely because wavy hair in the middle of the straight-curly continuum, most wavies can have the best of all worlds and switch back and forth to any kind of style with just a little effort. What I think is happening to some, and you specifically, is that you are probably not addressing your hair’s basic needs which are common to all hair types: protection from its natural oil and moisture. If any of those are taken away we have to artificially replace them.

Although wavies straighten very easily, brushing, blowing hot air and/or applying a hot iron to the hair robs it of moisture and wears out the cuticle, making it more porous (hence the "poof"), especially when done more than once a week. While the ‘cones may offer a bit of protection against heat, they cannot restore moisture to the hair and, as most of us around here know, if they get a chance to build up they actually block it from re-entering the hair.

So you (or anyone who straightens regularly) can’t suddenly expect to have “wash and wear” waves, first you need to dedicate some time to giving your hair some TLC to allow it to literally “bounce back”. Ideally I prefer to do a roller set when I want to go straight because otherwise it usually takes my hair a few days to recover after I straightened it with a blow dryer.

My daughter is a true wavy with a very oily scalp whose complaint is not having volume when "natural", so she blow dries straight most of the time. She tries to compensate for that by using her own nourishing products and resting her hair at least once every week and her below shoulder length hair has looked and felt healthy and shiny even when it was several inches longer.

The short hairs going in different directions could be new ones growing in and/or broken ones, I don’t know, I have a similar situation but it's new growth and sometimes I hate it as it seems most of my shorter hairs don't have any pattern of curl at all.

I have a couple of questions: 1) when you shampoo, do you coat your hair with CO or just wash regularly? 2) Does your CO contain any kind of oil? You didn’t mention which stylers you use and how you apply them when you go “natural” so I can’t give an opinion of why your hair feels “producty”.
2A/3A, medium length, layered, colored dark/medium ash blonde - "CGer" since April '02.

"Converting the 'curlskeptics' one curly head at a time..." HWHC
blue79:

Welcome back! If you want to see what the different hair types look like click here.

Personally, I don’t fully agree with “eastcoastwaves”. Precisely because wavy hair in the middle of the straight-curly continuum, most wavies can have the best of all worlds and switch back and forth to any kind of style with just a little effort. What I think is happening to some, and you specifically, is that you are probably not addressing your hair’s basic needs which are common to all hair types: protection from its natural oil and moisture. If any of those are taken away we have to artificially replace them.

Although wavies straighten very easily, brushing, blowing hot air and/or applying a hot iron to the hair robs it of moisture and wears out the cuticle, making it more porous (hence the "poof"), especially when done more than once a week. While the ‘cones may offer a bit of protection against heat, they cannot restore moisture to the hair and, as most of us around here know, if they get a chance to build up they actually block it from re-entering the hair.

So you (or anyone who straightens regularly) can’t suddenly expect to have “wash and wear” waves, first you need to dedicate some time to giving your hair some TLC to allow it to literally “bounce back”. Ideally I prefer to do a roller set when I want to go straight because otherwise it usually takes my hair a few days to recover after I straightened it with a blow dryer.

My daughter is a true wavy with a very oily scalp whose complaint is not having volume when "natural", so she blow dries straight most of the time. She tries to compensate for that by using her own nourishing products and resting her hair at least once every week and her below shoulder length hair has looked and felt healthy and shiny even when it was several inches longer.

The short hairs going in different directions could be new ones growing in and/or broken ones, I don’t know, I have a similar situation but it's new growth and sometimes I hate it as it seems most of my shorter hairs don't have any pattern of curl at all.

I have a couple of questions: 1) when you shampoo, do you coat your hair with CO or just wash regularly? 2) Does your CO contain any kind of oil? You didn’t mention which stylers you use and how you apply them when you go “natural” so I can’t give an opinion of why your hair feels “producty”.
Originally Posted by HalfWavyHalfCurly
Thanks for the advice! I'm still not quite sure the difference between 2b and 2c, although I'm going to assume I'm 2b. When I use actual shampoo, sometimes I'll shampoo then cowash after. However the shampoo I use is very moisturizing anyway(Cream of Nature). Inbetween that I cowash with V05(the lighter ones), and for a regular conditioner I've been using Garnier. I must say, I do love doing this more then just doing the normal shampoo routine, so much better for my scalp! Less dry now.

The cg products I've been leaving in when natural is Garnier leave in and La Bella Curl Gel(which I think it too much for my hair, howver it's a huge bottle and I don't want to waste it!). I also have used Herbal Essence mousse.
Yet another wavy here! It's amazing to read through some of this thread. There are so many times I've realized that hey, I'm not the only one. :-)

It took me a while to realize that my hair wasn't just abnormally frizzy straight hair. After that, it took even longer to realize that my hair was wavy, not curly. Although I have some curly sections in my hair, the vast majority of it is wavy. Once I had those two facts realized, it became so much easier to take care of my hair. I'm still not completely satisfied (who ever is?), but I'd much rather have healthy hair that looks okay than fried hair that looks awesome (although fried hair rarely looks awesome, IMHO).

I love winter because it means little to no frizz, but I also have to really work at curl (...wave?) definition/enhancement. My hair is uber thick, so my waves are weighed down anyway just being the way they are, and the winter dryness does nothing to help that. I shouldn't really complain though- GA winters aren't that big of a deal.

Thanks for listening to some of my rants. Now, off to find out why our heat is turned down to 58...
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2a-2c (3a on the best of days)
Modified CG
Shampoo 1-2 times a week, condish with Suave Naturals Coconut, style with Suave gel and Aussie Sprunch Spray
hi ladies! haven't been on here for a bit (it's funny how sometimes I feel like my life's just gonna run right over the top of me ;-\ LOL), but I just had to tell y'all how excited I am...! couple of things, really:

1) I got my "Curly Girl" book, read it, and started a wavy CG routine...ohhhhh, I guess a little over a week ago now, and I'm already noticing a BIG difference in my hair! it looks healthier, feels nicer, and has even more wave in it than I've thought up to now...! heck, I might even be a 2b! LOL (y'all have to understand, I'm one of the "weirdos" who always WANTED curly hair -- I used to perm the bajeebers outta my hair trying to get it to do something it just didn't want to do, back in the day when I had naturally poker-straight hair in my early to mid-20s)

2) I've got an appt for a haircut w/Ann Marie Lasater out here in SLC!! //happy dance!!// I found her via CurlSalons, and she's SUCH a sweetheart -- called me last night at almost 7:30pm and talked to me for a good 10 mins about my hair... my appt isn't for a couple of weeks b/c she's in such demand (I'm thinking that's actually a GOOD thing -- she says about 80% of her clients now are curly/wavy), but I'm really looking forward to meeting her and learning more from her about how to care for my wavy hair... best part is, Ann Marie actually studied w/Lorraine Massey in NYC, so now I know exactly WHY she comes as highly recommended as she does (most of the posts about Ann Marie over on CurlSalons are nothing short of raves)! AT LAST, a stylist who can really teach me about MY hair and who understands that wavy-girl hair and straight-girl hair are NOT the same thing...! ;-\ LOL

I'm running late this morning and need to go hop in the shower so my dd doesn't see me schlepping around the house in a bathrobe all day, but I just had to share my good news w/people who're more likely to appreciate it...! LOL

*MWAH!*
Tanya
mostly 2a/2b (so far) w/rare and random 4a's, fine but thick, BSL dark caramel blonde; wavy CG since Jan07 -- VO5 Passion Fruit Smoothie cond (looking into Activate products), weekly "Lemon Aid" clarifier, HE TT gel
Hi Wavies!

Mommiepretty, I just want to say that I also go to Anne Marie and she is absolutely WONDERFUL. She's the one who turned me on to CG, and I was REALLY reluctant to try it at first. I also just trusted her to take about 2 or 3 inches off my length (I literally just said, "eh, do what you think is best"). She gave me the Devachan (sp?) cut, and I LOVE IT! And I agree, she is the sweetiest person. I'm glad you found her!

I'm going to admit, I haven't read this entire thread (most of it though ), so I wanted to make sure this concern wasn't already adressed somewhere else before i go off on a rant... Does anyone else notice that if your hair feels nice it usally looks really undefined? Before I go into more detail, is this somewhere else that I haven't seen? TIA ladies!!
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Does anyone else notice that if your hair feels nice it usally looks really undefined?
I totally have that problem! LOL! It feels great and looks like crap or it looks great and feels crunchy. Sigh. It helped that I started putting my gel of soaking wet hair, but it's still a trade off. My Mom has strait as a board, baby fine hair. I just keep telling myself that while hers ALWAYS feels great, she can't hold a curl or wave - even with a bottle of hairspray! It is all a trade off isn't it?
HeatherDawn
2C/3A
I've been a fan of this website for more than a year, and after reading your "wavy woes" posts, I am moved to write for the very first time. My revelation came when I said to my husband the other night "I just can't figure out whether my hair is CURLY or STRAIGHT. It takes effort to make it be either." And he replied "What does it do if you just let it dry?" I said "It's fuzzy." He said "Well, then you have fuzzy hair".

Can anyone else relate?

I'm currently using a hot air brush to straighten it...when I go curly, it's fabulous for 30 minutes and then a TOTAL mess the minute I walk, talk, or, god forbid, touch it. The front and underneath are straight, the back and sides are curly, and I look like I just escaped from an asylum within a few hours of curly styling.

At least I know not that I'm not alone!
I've been a fan of this website for more than a year, and after reading your "wavy woes" posts, I am moved to write for the very first time. My revelation came when I said to my husband the other night "I just can't figure out whether my hair is CURLY or STRAIGHT. It takes effort to make it be either." And he replied "What does it do if you just let it dry?" I said "It's fuzzy." He said "Well, then you have fuzzy hair".

Can anyone else relate?

I'm currently using a hot air brush to straighten it...when I go curly, it's fabulous for 30 minutes and then a TOTAL mess the minute I walk, talk, or, god forbid, touch it. The front and underneath are straight, the back and sides are curly, and I look like I just escaped from an asylum within a few hours of curly styling.

At least I know not that I'm not alone!
Originally Posted by nicolechaz
No you're not alone and yes, we CAN relate ! I've spent most of my life thinking I had straight hair that just "fuzzed" a bit. For years I've had stylists tell me my hair was naturally curly so why not just put some mousse in and "let it go" .. I was always like ... ! A few years ago I remarried and my hubby encouraged me to "go natural" which is what I did when I stumbled upon this magnificent site! Although "going natural" takes some practice, it can be done!

For starters, I'd recommend foregoing the hot air brush to straighten it since it's not straight! Having been here for a year, I'd encourage you to try to put into practice what helps us wavies/curlies embrace our hair . Switching to conditioners to "wash" with and try some of the inexpensive gels mentioned to help encourage your curls and help them stay put without the use of that brush. Get a microfiber towel at Walmart (auto department) to get the water out of your hair. Post some pics so we can see your hair and ask questions - we LOVE to help!
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Products: The hair aisle in my own cabinets.
Best definition winner: KCCC
Best volume winner: LOOB
That's funny - I never thought my hair was wavy either. When I was little and frustrated with it, usually because I couldn't comb it straight, my mother would say "Just let it do what it wants, its stubborn irish hair."

I've been straightening lately because of the dry winter air, and because the last time I got it cut the stylist did such a beautiful job straightening it. But its really hard to do at home. I've been using Bain deTerre straightener and a brush and blowdryer, and I still have goofy flips at the bottom of my hair.
I'm giving up and going back to Curly Girl for wavies!
2B wavy thick hair
Fia=2a M iii
modified CG since 1/12/06
I also used to think my hair was "straight but fuzzy". LOL For several years I wore it in a bob (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter, but still basically a bob), and I'd stand in front of the mirror and blow dry. Then I'd use a huge big-barrel curling iron (this was before the flat iron became popular) and take my hair in small one-inch sections and smooth it all out straight with the ends slightly curled under and also the bangs the same way (think Anne Rice in her Interview With a Vampire days). It would take 30 to 45 minutes EVERY MORNING. But when I was done, I'd look in the mirror and see smooth sleek hair and be happy.
It wasn't until I saw a photo of myself from the BACK that I realized that I wasn't getting it straight in the back!! There were my crazy rebelious waves kicking sideways in the back of my supposedly super sleek hairstyle!! I felt like a goober.
That's when I first began to embrace my waves. It's taken me a long time to really learn to accept them, but most days I love my hair. It's naturally quirky attitude matches my naturally quirky attitude.
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I just have to ask; has anyone else been told they have hair like Hermione Granger (from Harry Potter)? LOL! All this talk of the fuzzies reminded me of high school and being told I should read this "Harry Potter" book because the girl in there was just like me down to the hair. LOL! Good thing I really loved that lady.
HeatherDawn
2C/3A
Here's the thing - I converted completely over to curly after reading the CurlyGirl book - was using only Deva products, no sulfates or silicones, etc. My hair looked great, and it felt like new hair - heavier, silkier, frizz-free curls. However, my skin went all to hell. Horrible, horrible acne. (I'm acne-prone, but generally can keep it under control...this was a nightmare, though.) My conclusion is that sulfates are VERY bad for my hair, but oils in hair products are very bad for my skin. So I reverted back to my hot air brush for a while to let my skin calm down.

To make all matters worse, I've had to relocate to Mississippi (originally from PA/NJ) for my husband's job...has given me full understanding of the word "humid"...also, ahem, it's hard to find a stylist I trust in the land of cows and straight-ironed blondes. No curlies round these here parts.

I really want to find a sulfate free cleanser and some styling product that will do what Deva did, but won't clog my skin. (I just ordered Jessicurl's GLS...you know how we all keep hope alive...)

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