The woes of a Wavie.

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I just have to ask; has anyone else been told they have hair like Hermione Granger (from Harry Potter)? LOL! All this talk of the fuzzies reminded me of high school and being told I should read this "Harry Potter" book because the girl in there was just like me down to the hair. LOL! Good thing I really loved that lady.
Originally Posted by HeatherDawn
Yes, yes, yes!!! In fact, at a sleepover at my friend's house in middle school and we were both HP obsessed, it was the morning and she brushed her hair, so I brushed mine, too. I'd gotten it to the point where it feels really nice and soft, like spun silk. Temporarily, yes, but it does have that point. Well, I walked out of her room and she told me I looked just like Hermione! But I though Hermione was awesome, so for the most part, I took it as a compliment. I felt smart the whole day.
OMG, LOOK!!

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I think Hermione is gorgeous. I'd take it as a compliment.
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LOL! Thanks. I think that Emma Watson is a doll, but the books describe Hermione as having BUSHY hair and big teeth. In book four she goes to the ball with smaller teeth and beautiful STRAIT hair and noone recognizes her at first. She said it was nice for one night, but she wouldn't going to spend all that time on her HAIR. LOL! I like that dispite all that attention she stays curly... er, well... bushy. LOL!
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Bumping this thread up because I have many of these same woes. Front and sides are pretty curly, the back is wavy and much straighter than the rest of my head. Since starting CG the crown and back of my hair has been disgustingly oily, though the front and sides are reacting fine. I'm not even sure what to do. The back of my head is superoily even after having low-poo'ed with AO's GPB shampoo and conditioner. I'm carrying on with a CG routine because my hair is so damn frizzy. If I use regular poo and brush out my hair the back looks good but the front and sides get super frizzy. If I CG the front and sides look good for a day or two but the back gets superoily. Ugh. I don't know what to do but I feel your pain, fellow wavies.
What a lifesaver!! Everyone on here is expressing the same issues and frustrations that I am.

Basically, I have recently discovered that I am NOT a curly really, but a frizzy, coarse wavy. It's no wonder I was so frustrated over on the 3 boards and the others...No wonder those routines and products didn't work!

Not only that but HOLY MOLY I am tired of obsessing about my hair. I just want it to look neatly styled and presentable every day. Is that too much to ask?

In my younger days I never obsessed like this. I mean, I did, but I had figured out a pretty good system: I pulled the top part of my hair into a ponytail or clip, gelled the hell out of it and let it air dry. Once it dried, it fell into soft, shiny waves. I look at pictures of myself from those days and my hair looks great.

Why did I stop doing this? I don't know. I got into straightening, and relaxing, and all kinds of stuff. I kept looking for a miracle product. Also, I found that the pulled-back looked great when I was young but now that I am "of a certain age", it has a tendency to make me look schoolmarmish and severe. Not the look I want!!

And it takes soooooo long for my hair to air dry...In the past I didn't care, because usually I wanted it to look sexy and pretty for evening, as that was Go-Out-and-Partay Time!!! But now,
I want it to look good in the daytime.

I guess I just have to give up on that dream. Because it can't. And I've tried putting it up and sleeping on it but all that does is give me Giant Frizzo Head. And I have to stop worrying how it looks in the morning because I want to spend my morning time in the gym, not fussing with my hair.

The endless routines and endless line of products they describe on the other curly threads...Good God, I do NOT have the time or patience. Maybe if I got the results some of them do...but no. I can't use a diffuser to save my life -- and I don't want to. I don't want to plop, and pin, and scrunch, and coat, and fiddle, and twist, and on and on and, and apply this product here, and that one there, and this one layered with this one...enough already.

Back in the days I described, I just used regular shampoo and really good conditioners and I DT'd once a month and used a cheap rock-hard drugstore gel.

I'm going back to that. Wish me luck.
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...because it's an awesome thread, almost describing my hair to a t.
And because I'd like to hear how all these wavies are getting on just now.
*BUMP*


This is a great thread My problem is that I feel like I can't just let my hair be natural...cause natural means a huge poof ball of frizz! Granted, I'm still in the process of changing how I act to my hair. But the frizz is what kills me. Do any of you wavies notice it's not just frizz, but it's CURLED frizz?? It's like I have all these tiny curled hairs all over, and my hair isn't curly! So they're very hard to get down with just product.

I am glad though that I'm finally admitting that my hair is wavy lol. Since forever I've been brushing my hair out, which makes it straighter but very poofy, then dumping gallons of silicone products in it to make it flat. Or straightening it all the time which kills your hair. Enough! I want to just have my hair how it naturally wants to be. The only problem is my hair naturally wants to be frizzy
Originally Posted by blue79
exactly!i have a problem with frizzyness too!and that's exactly what my frizz is tiny annoying curled frizz looks like dead hair!! -sigh-

yesterday i tried molasses+honey rinse since i saw on a thread that it gave more hold and less frizz..argh!but then i had to wrestle with my hair just to get it to look,well, not messy!in the end i gave up and combed it straight and put it in a ponytail and went to school, which worked ok and looked soft and smooth, no frizz at all!but the whole day i was missing my curls/waves..then when i got home i let my hair down and after a few hours, i suddenly had 2a 90% frizz free hair ..so i decided to put it up in a pineapple so i could preserve it, but come this morning my scalp was too oily that i just had to wash it, now im letting my hair dry, and though i hav good curl formation, THE FRIZZ just wont go away!
I have frizzies too....I'm a stylist and I always feel my hair is so frizzy and one of the other stylists the other day said "but your hair isn't frizzy...." made me feel good, but it just proves it's prospective I guess. I tell clients all the time "you're your own worst critic" and it's true of me too.

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Originally Posted by rymorg2
'sniff' i guess... i'll think of that more often, thanks!
my friend does say sometimes that she likes my curls/waves that day...maybe we're all just to conscious about our own hair that we feel like it looks bad..
but there was this stylist who said i couldn't do short layers 'coz my hair was poofy and short layers would just make it more poofy..hmp,made me feel really bad but i guess she didn't know what she was talking about, since she had straight hair and didn't know much about curlies(it was a salon speciallizing for straight hair, so)
How interesting to find this thread when I came to the board to announce that I am giving up trying to wear my hair natural. I give UP.

I've been trying GC for a few weeks now and have gotten mostly bad reviews. My Dh is lukewarm, my mom is not even that.

I saw a ton of family members on Saturday and I got the, "ohhhhhh, you're going for the windblown look?" and, "oh, umm, I like it. It looks.... ummmm, cute?"

I feel so self-conscious and ugly. And the things that others said in this thread really hit home. I've never worried so much about my hair and how I looked until I started trying to wear it natural. Some days I think my hair looks okay, but then, as others stated, I touch it or sit against a couch or something and I've got this rat's nest atop my head

I'm going to have to wrestle with my hair constantly to get it to look even semi-decent and I don't know that I have it in me.
That's a shame, Jeannie_b.
I sometimes get the impression this site can cause a kind of inverted curl snobbery - albeit unintentionally - giving the impression that NOT wanting a head full of crazy corkscrews is a sacrilege.
That kind of thing will however not happen for everybody's hair - I don't quite think I'll get my hair to be dramatically more curly, but it will likely be in overall better condition and therefore more likely to be better behaved.
The main thing is probably to learn to make your peace with your hair and stop obsessing about whether it's a bit frizzy or poofy - there's always the ponytail for days like that.
And if the weather/stars/karma is right, and the curls curl, thank the hair gods and enjoy it while it lasts!
I think I've made peace with myself and my hair...for the time being, LOL!

The amount of time, money, and fanatical obsession some people seem to spend on their hair just isn't in me, and I don't know a single straight-haired person who obsesses the same way. I honestly don't. So over the past few months I've developed an easy-care routine that I'm happy to share with anyone who might find it useful.

Here's my new, easy routine. For most days, and always for work, I put my hair up and I style the bangs and front pieces. Period. I have found that styling the front is necessary to avoid the "angry schoolmarm" look and makes me look younger and prettier.

So, I wet my hair every day, sometimes all of it, sometimes only the part I'm putting up. (I leave the front part out in a rubber band on my forehead and crack myself up when I look in the mirror Then I flat-iron the front and some side pieces and my hair looks "done," neat, and pretty. (If I've wet it all over, I blast the front/bangs with my hair dryer, takes about five minutes.) I never have to think about it, not once all day, and I know it always looks appropriate and frizz-free and really nice.

When I take down in the evening I have beautiful, bouncy, shiny waves and the front is smooth. It looks great and if I'm going out all I have to do is run some silicone serum through it to shine it up and kill any frizz that may have snuck in.

On weekends I either blow-dry and flat iron or I wear it "natural", letting it air-dry and then hitting the front with my trusty iron. YES...That front styling is crucial; I discovered that a big part of what made me look ugly were the uncontrolled, shapeless, curls hanging into my face. Getting the crown and bangs smooth makes all the difference in the world and makes me look like I spent hours on my hair.

I shampoo twice a week and co-wash daily. I use only two styling products: Silicone serum (religiously) and hair-moisturizing lotion (right now, because winter really dries out my hair.)

That's it. I hope some of you find this helpful because I've been really happy with it and it's wonderful to be freed from the constant hair obsession. My hair is so calm and happy now that I actually have something I NEVER dreamed of: Second Day Hair!! I can actually wake up, smooth in some serum, and look decent enough to run to the grocery store or the mailbox without frightening the neighborhood children. Some days I can even put it up without wetting it and it looks fine. My hair has responded beautifully to this regime and it is simply one less worry in my day.
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Originally Posted by rymorg2
"you're your own worst critic"
I sometimes get the impression this site can cause a kind of inverted curl snobbery - albeit unintentionally - giving the impression that NOT wanting a head full of crazy corkscrews is a sacrilege.
That kind of thing will however not happen for everybody's hair - I don't quite think I'll get my hair to be dramatically more curly, but it will likely be in overall better condition and therefore more likely to be better behaved.
The main thing is probably to learn to make your peace with your hair and stop obsessing about whether it's a bit frizzy or poofy - there's always the ponytail for days like that.
Yeah I agree with you girls on both of those things and many other comments posted here but I'll run out of room trying to quote all of you!!! I'm trying harder to not obsess, I keep trying new things because I'm afraid what I'm doing will stop working. Luckily with the swaps I haven't spent a fortune. But I'm finally at a good place product-wise and routine-wise. It seems there are more curlies than wavies on here and the wavies are always trying to be more curly. We do need to accept what our hair can do and that's it. I'm not aiming for more curl anymore, I just want it to look neat and not poofy. I admired my hairstylist's hair once and told her I wish I had hair like YOU!!! She's a 3A/B mix gorgeous curls and she said to ME I wish I had YOUR hair, so the grass is always greener for sure.
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Aw, forget the corkscrews. I am actually surprised at the amount of wavies that want their hair to curl more. I like having a wave pattern. Corkscrews are just one degree in the degrees of curls!

Okay, okay though. I wish my wave pattern started closer to the roots. It doesn't start to wave until like 3" down, and I never have any root volume because of it.

But everything else is okay! Really!
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Hey idk if this helps but I can only do 2nd day hair if i put my hair up in a messy bun before i go to sleep. The way the scrunci holds my hair makes more waves in my sleep and it looks natural when i wake up. Hope that helps a little. :]
My hair is really frustruating lately. First off, I've finally grown it to BSL when dry and it's REALLY misbehaving. It's getting less wavy. More frizzy. Really tangly. Oh, and again, it's frizzy. I'm okay with some frizz, but it's ridiculous.
And, I've moved, and my water is hard and my hair hates it. It feels like crap after I've cowashed and conditioned.
Am I doomed to having shoulder length hair? Why can't I grow my hair out? WHAAAH!
Just felt like venting. I am working a few things out but the hard water/maybe having to do a big chop is annoying.
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LVPNG, HSH Pumpkin, Walgreen's Knockoffs--Condish/Cowash
AOHR, Nexxus, EO--LI
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Suave Max Hold, Alagio Curl-Gel
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This is a really great thread- I've just read it all the way through!!

I think I have spent too much time trying to acheive 3a hair which may just never happen. I also find that a lot of what works for curlies does not work for me. CG does NOT work for me (I'm cone-free and only use sulphates once or twice a week when my hair needs something stronger than low-poo).

I am learning to love and accept my waves. My main issue really is the lack of root volume or root wave/curl. If I air dry then I wind up with flat top hair where the waves all start at the same place three inches down - all starting with an outward bend so it creates a really weird shape.

If I try to diffuse (like i did today) I end up with volume but my whole hair looks like a bird's nest and with even weirder sticky-up roots. Not sure how to get around this - I could do with air drying over winter (washing hair at night is not an option) so i don't get to work with wet hair, but I so don't want to go out looking a real state.

Guess I'm stuck with updoes all winter

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And, I've moved, and my water is hard and my hair hates it. It feels like crap after I've cowashed and conditioned.
Originally Posted by ;1149743
Try getting a water filter for your shower. I've got one made by Culligan that I got from Amazon for <$20. It made a HUGE difference in my hair. Before it was dry and breaking off from all the chlorine in the water. Now it doesn't smell like I just got out of the swimming pool!
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And, I've moved, and my water is hard and my hair hates it. It feels like crap after I've cowashed and conditioned.
Originally Posted by ;1149743
Try getting a water filter for your shower. I've got one made by Culligan that I got from Amazon for <$20. It made a HUGE difference in my hair. Before it was dry and breaking off from all the chlorine in the water. Now it doesn't smell like I just got out of the swimming pool!
Originally Posted by luckycurls
I went from hard to soft. Is there a transition period???

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