The woes of a Wavie.

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Alright I have a question..

I am looking for a gel, and I want it to be able to fight frizz, give good my curls/waves good definition but still leave my hair soft.. any reccomendations wavies?

Or am I searching for a product that does not exist..
Originally Posted by Starrynite719

I'm working on it! Seriously, I very quickly tired of the layering of multiple products that seems to be the norm in order to get all three of your wishes. So I'm concocting and cooking in my kitchen trying to see if I can create a miracle product. LOL, it's probably impossible but I have time on my hands and may as well give it a try eh?

I'll post if I have any success. Just know that you are not the only one who wants ONE styling product that does it all.
FIA: 2cFii

Lady Crispina, Confector of Pharmaceutria and Conjurer of Exquisitus JuJu, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
I understand the frustrations! At the same token, I should keep my mouth shut. My hair has been so much better off since starting the CG journey...I can make my hair curlier (with work and products), and I can have the sexy beachy waves with little effort, and I can straighten my hair with way less effort than the curlies have to put in.

BUT, this site can give you some real hair envy! "What I'd give for so-and-so's hair..." Oh yeah, I got hair envy!

I went from hard to soft. Is there a transition period???
Originally Posted by wavy wonder
I did the same, but I went CG a month AFTER the move. So I don't know if I'm going to be of much help. BUT, water is something I have been suspecting as being a HUGE component of all this.

Have you noticed your soaps working better? Also, my skin isn't as dry. I almost never put on lotion. I still need to, but nothing like before. My skin would itch from being so dry before. BTW, I used to have to use Prell occasionally to remove oily build-up when I lived with hard water (no softener), and now with softer water I can use COwash to clean oils from my hair. I don't mean just everyday naturally produced oils, I mean when I put oil on my hair and go for a run and such. Just thought I'd mention it in case if some of your hair issues may be from lack of moisture. Again I went CG after I moved to soft water, and one of the first things I noticed was I was drying my hair out with my normal routine. So when I first went CG, I OC'ed my hair and ended up with a lack of protein, and frmo there went on the protein journey...and here I am back to getting moisture in my hair but now I have a better balance than before. But I certainly had to re-evaluate EVERYTHING I was doing to my hair, and it was the move that prompted me to figure out how. Thats when I found this place! We'll get it figured out!

I'm working on it! Seriously, I very quickly tired of the layering of multiple products that seems to be the norm in order to get all three of your wishes. So I'm concocting and cooking in my kitchen trying to see if I can create a miracle product. LOL, it's probably impossible but I have time on my hands and may as well give it a try eh?

I'll post if I have any success. Just know that you are not the only one who wants ONE styling product that does it all.
Originally Posted by runnerchicki
I'd settle for 2 products for purfect curly hair at the moment! Gah, I'll think I have something figured out and a few hours later my hair looks bad, or it feels awful to touch, etc. I've been reading up on the ingredients of current fav products and other people's mixes, and experimenting a bit "in hand" to see what my hair likes and what it doesn't. We ought to start a thread on it! Maybe with info like climate, hair porosity, etc.?
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2aFii, low porosity, protein!
Color treated (blonde, but darned grays!)
COwash: Suave, V05, Salon Care Honey Almond
CO: GVPCB, LVNPG, GFTN, HSH Pumpkin, Aura Cherry Almond Bark
DTs: Lustrasilk SM, GVPCB
PTs: Aphogee 2-step, ION Effective Care inbetween
LIs/Stylers: Any of my COs, FSG, EcoStyler Krystal, LOOC, shea butter to SOTC

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I, too, share the problems associated with waviness. I have gorgeous ringlets in the front. I have pretty waves in the top layer on the sides and in the back, clumpy and pretty consistent in pattern.

Then the bottom. Oh, god. There must be something wrong!! It barely does anything! I am lucky if it is even 2A at the bottom. Forget about ringlets, forget about any texture! Luckily it is mostly hidden by all the other hair...but boy do I hate it!

I thought I would love FSG. I did...for 2 days! Then my hair became limp with barely any wave. Tried it under LA looks sports gel...even worse! I seem to consistently like ArcAngell and BRHG but I am constantly worried that my hair will just stop liking them.

No hair is easy though. Straight hair, wavy, curly, kinky...they all have their problems. We just have to learn to deal I guess. I just know I am not ready to give up on my ringlets. :]
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only wavie having troubles. Now that the weather is cooler, my hair has gotten curlier but also frizzier. I've tried AVG with agave, JC condition and shine, and several leave-ins. Nothing seems to help the poof and frizz. Paul Mitchell skinny serum used to work well before I was CG. I'm tempted to go back.
Maci, if the air has gotten drier as the weather has gotten cooler, you may need to avoid humectants for the winter, at least in your leave-ins and stylers. What is the current dewpoint where you live? (You can find it on most of the weather sites that give current temps, etc).
Wavy, fine texture, med/high porosity (?), med density
2cFii on the Fia System

Current products
:
Low-poo: JC GLS or JC HCC
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut (also do water-wash)
Rinse-out: AO GPB, Mop C Hydrating Conditioner
Leave-in: KCKT
Stylers: BB FSG, BRHG, JC Oil Blend, BB Hemp, Grapeseed, & Clary Sage Hair and Body Butter
Deep treatments: Nexxus Emergencee PT, Jessicurl WDT
Occasional ACV rinses

mod-CG since June, 2009


Maci, if the air has gotten drier as the weather has gotten cooler, you may need to avoid humectants for the winter, at least in your leave-ins and stylers. What is the current dewpoint where you live? (You can find it on most of the weather sites that give current temps, etc).
Originally Posted by SouthernMoss
I'm in Texas, so you're right about the humectants. But it's hard to find stylers without them.
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random post, but i just wanted to vent about surface frizz. it's so annoying. and i didn't even touch my hair after applying product, it just appeared. booooo.
random post, but i just wanted to vent about surface frizz. it's so annoying. and i didn't even touch my hair after applying product, it just appeared. booooo.
Originally Posted by *LC*
LC -- I have major hair envy when I see your avie pic. Just thought I'd let you know!

Wurly and proud!
Modified CG since 2008.
random post, but i just wanted to vent about surface frizz. it's so annoying. and i didn't even touch my hair after applying product, it just appeared. booooo.
Originally Posted by *LC*
LC -- I have major hair envy when I see your avie pic. Just thought I'd let you know!
Originally Posted by wavycurly40+


if only it looked like that every day...
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bump. just on to rant about how poofy i am this evening. don't you hate when you try a new product and it goes awry? i was looking around the boards for hard hold gels without pvp, and the one i tried tonight was a total bust. way too little hold. and no one wants to use half a tube for one application, lol.

/rant
bump. just on to rant about how poofy i am this evening. don't you hate when you try a new product and it goes awry? i was looking around the boards for hard hold gels without pvp, and the one i tried tonight was a total bust. way too little hold. and no one wants to use half a tube for one application, lol.

/rant
Originally Posted by *LC*
Fellow poofy........Have you tried creams?

Lately I've been using Struttswife's method using a conditioner as a leave-in base and applying ISO Bouncy cream mixed with a little bit of Jane Carter Condition and Shine liquid and it's working well. I also mix my really thick homemade FSG with JC Cond & Shine and get pretty good frizz control. Also, I started clipping my roots and they are a little less frizzy as my hair dries.
I'm totally going back to basics.

I've tried plopping, and upside down rinsing, upside down diffusing and going CG and laying 472 different products in an attempt to get more clumps/shine/curl. And you know what - none of it gives me any of those things!! I've just wound up with my hair looking the same except with a greasy scalp and funky looking roots.

Now I'm back to shampooing every day or every other day (mostly sulphate-free, but with sulphates a couple of times a week), conditioning and using a tiny bit of conditioner as a leave in. Then styling with ONE product and leaving to air dry. It's an improvement on what I had with all the fancy techniques and doesn't take me all day.

I don't have perfect glossy curls like a lot of the CG girls here do, but I'm never going to have them and don't want months/years worth of manky 'transition' hair on the off-chance I'll find a winning combo.

Back to basics for me!! Though, have to admit I'm staying cone-free!
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UK curly - mostly 2c
  • Going back to basics!
  • Happily using a mixture of sulphates, cones and CG products.
  • Permanently undecided whether to cut or grow!
Currently loving:
Lush I Love Juicy shampoo
Charles Worthington frizz smoothing conditioner

Superdrug coconut & almond intensive conditioner
Montagne Jeunesse avocado & cherry bark mask
Umberto Giannini curl gel
Boots 'pink' curl creme
I'm just plain sick of the whole process lately. About a month ago I got REALLY good hair to the point where I didn't wash it for five days! I forgot what I did to get it that way. Now I'm trying everything and bought two different conditioners to replace my non-existent LVPNG with little luck. I hate buying something that doesn't work and wasting my $$....even if it is only a few bucks.

I am a creature of habit. I like to do the same thing to my hair every time and get it to look the same all the time. But no. Every day is different. I have to force my hair to do what I want. I have to switch things around to coincide with the weather.

I want to wake up and have my bed head look sexy and not like rats live there.

/rant.


By the way, what do you ladies use for clumps? I've been using LOOB for awhile and I think it's losing its power. Any suggestions?
2b/c, medium/high porosity, medium/coarse texture
Current HG: Kinky Curly errythang, GVPCB, LALSG

"I will never be the woman with perfect hair, who can wear white and not spill on it."

CurlySue - I can totally relate to this. It's the inconsistency that kills me. I want one routine with the same products every times, but just when I think something works, it stops. It drives me nuts!
2A (fine hair but a lot of it), High Porosity
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
Rinse: L'oreal Vive Pro Nutrigloss (without cones)
Leave-in: Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Potion
Gel: HETT and HETMS spray gel
Occasionally: Nexuss Emergencee protein treatment and Naked Naturals Smoothing Low Poo
I am so glad i read this, this inbetween of straight and curly hair is not fun. Im trying to enjoy trying out samples but it's not fun when your hair turns out like a puffball.

So tempted to breakout the CHI and start frying again lol.

So far the only thing that has worked for me is KCKT with KCCC. or Bouncy Cream. When i straightened i had to wash my hair once a week only. Now if i get second day hair it's a miracle. Not to mention all the money i am spending trying to find good products. I guess it's an adjustment period after straightening for over 10 years. Patience, Patience.

Still, my hair does look great when i have the right things in it, just not used to having to wash everyday.
I'm so glad I found this old thread! The first 2-3 pages are great, especially what eastcoastwaves had to say. I had recently decided to stop straightening and blow drying just to try to make it healthier, and thought it would be less maintenance (HA!). Then I found this site, and got sucked into the idea of this product vs that product, plopping, ice queen, smooshing, spritzing and whatever else there is out there, and it was getting exhausting just to think about! I have 2 kids, work full time, and I already get up at 5am. I don't have time to plop for however long, then use 3 different products let alone diffuse on top of it LOL.

I am going to accept my hair for what it is - and be done with it! ok well... I might still use mousse once in a while, or gel, or who knows what else, but at least I don't feel so stressed about it after reading this. Seriously, if you have way hair, I suggest you read the first 3 pages of this thread at least. It could change your life!
2a/b, high porosity, fine strands, average density, just about shoulder blade length

My hair loves moisture!

currently mod-cg , using low-poo and not totally cone-free yet. I'll get there though!
I'm so relieved it's not just me having problems! I believe I'm a 2c (does the word THICK ring a bell?!!! LOL!) Anyway I have no consistency to my hair, my style, what products work (and don't work!). One day I have curls, next day waves. Some days I can take a lot of product the next time I can't. It's extremely frustrating, and I can only say I'm relieved to see that I'm not the only one with holy grails.

One thing I do find though is too much product seems to be my downfall. In spite of my thick hair, and in spite of others thriving on tons of product it seems to only be OK for first day hair and horrendous for second day hair. I think it just messes with my wave pattern. IMO it's just weighing my hair down way too much and once it's in there there is no going back.

I also can't figure out if my hair needs poo, no poo, gel, mousse, etc.! How frustrating! I've had mixed results doing all of the above. To add even more frustration is an itchy scalp if I don't poo SO it's very hard for me to commit to 100% no poo for the long haul to see if eventually it would work LOL, sorry this sounds like a major complaint.

I also hate to say it seems like a bit of a financial investment trying products. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a high end user by any means but even just going to the drug store (or online for herbal/all natural products) adds up (especially when they don't always work).

Does this mean I've given up? Nope! Honestly ladies, I have to say even on our BAD days our hair probably looks much better than we think! I have so many poker straight friends who are curl/wave envious, so maybe we need to quit being so hard on ourselves

I'm hoping others continue to update this thread on some good products and what they've found works for them (and hopefully works for the rest of us). Good luck to all!
Honestly I could work a bit more on my hair if I wanted to, be more careful with it if I wanted to, but not only do I not have the time, but I choose not to care. I stopped ironing my hair straight every three days because I wanted it to be healthy and I actually love my waves and decided to embrace them. I didn't want to be spending an hour in the bathroom ironing my hair flat. I wanted to be able to wash it and go and that's exactly what I do now. I spend maybe 15 minutes after my shower getting dressed, finishing my hair and putting on any makeup and perfume I might be wanting to wear. After that its air dry since i'm a SAHM. I don't like the idea of having my hair off limits. I want my hair to be touchable to my kids, my husband and even myself. I want to enjoy it! My hair is far from perfect and often a bit frizzy. Sure it has it's share of "woes", but I don't let them bother me much. I try to give it the best start I can and after that I just hope it dries ok lol. It's my hair though, it has it's good days where it wants to behave and other days where its just wild, just like me and that's ok. I just do what I can and hope for the best. Ultimately I want my hair to be touchable. I play with my children, they snuggle their faces and hands in it and fall asleep holding it. They roll around on it during naps lol. My husband puts his hands in it when he kisses and hugs me and even I play with it absentmindedly throughout the day. Yes. I touch my hair and I love to do it, it's soft now and pretty and i'm so proud of it, why should I keep my hands off? I refuse to be a prisoner to my hair, afraid to move and have fun in it. If it's a bit messy that's fine with me, it's "lived in".
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2(I have no idea what pattern), low porosity, mix of medium and coarse, dense

*Have just discovered the amazingness that is the "Spritz and Condish" routine*

Shampoo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
Co-wash: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying Conditioner
RO: GVP CB, Garnier Triple Nutrition
LI : Whatever conditioner I used + EVOO or Argon oil
Stylers: Organix Moroccan Curling Perfection Defining Creme, EcoStyler Gel (krystal)
Flippit- you sound like me to a T. I get super frustrated then I will be ok with my waves for awhile then I get frustrated again. I have been wearing my hair straight this week because I am sick of the inconsistency but at the same time I think my waves can be so pretty. I have also been considering a perm so I have actual curls! I tell people all the time I want curly or straight not wavy

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