The woes of a Wavie.

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Firefox: I think most basic, cheap gels have glycerin in them, which is a humectant. I feel like my hair does a lot better with a hard hold gel in humid places like Alabama and Florida. Lynaea, Gel gives my hair the kind of hold that I can totally see, and prevents frizz, but at least the gel I use leaves my hair feeling soft and product-free after I scrunch out the crunch. That works way better for me than some jellies and moussed that have mostly left my hair sticky and producty.

Anyway, I've never been able to stick to the whole "don't touch your hair" rule. I totally touch my hair all the time. I twist the bottom on my fingers, I ruffle up the top with my hands, I run my fingers through my bangs to push them back, and I pull at the spirals sometimes when I'm bored. If I see a frizzy strand out of the corner of my eye, I'll twist it a little bit to make the hairs come back together. It doesn't really give me that much frizz, and I personally go for more of a messy head of waves then a perfect, every curl in it's place kind of look. I feel like that looks more soft and natural, while also being much easier to achieve.

Actually, when I decided that I would pretty much let my roots dry naturally even though my hair is pretty flat until it gets down to my eyebrows, and also deciding that a head full of big, messy waves looks nice, doing my hair became a lot easier. Like, I still apply products, but it's so much less stressful to just tell myself that however it dries is fine. And what helped is to realize that I was the only person who really noticed the difference between my good and bad hair days. As long as I have a fluffy head for of wavy hair, no one really sees a difference. The only exception to that is when I diffuse, because then it is noticeably curlier than when I don't.
Originally Posted by rainboe
Thanks for the explanation/info Rainboe! Maybe I've been thinking about this backwards (that a real gel would be more producty), you're using the LALSP? I've tried to find that on the ground but my local Target/drugstores don't seem to have it. I've been considering GF pure clean gel or Abba finish (or maybe style) gel do you have any experience with those ( or any other gel you can reccomend really)?
Originally Posted by Lynaea
I was thinking about it, and it might also be a low-po vs. regular porosity thing too. But a cheap hard hold gel is worth a try. I haven't tried many other gels, because LALSG has been my go-to since high school. I usually buy it at Walmart. It's a really big clear container of blue gel. I remember there was a really positive thread for GF pure clean gel when it first came out, so that's probably worth a try if you can't find the one I use.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
Firefox: I think most basic, cheap gels have glycerin in them, which is a humectant. I feel like my hair does a lot better with a hard hold gel in humid places like Alabama and Florida. Lynaea, Gel gives my hair the kind of hold that I can totally see, and prevents frizz, but at least the gel I use leaves my hair feeling soft and product-free after I scrunch out the crunch. That works way better for me than some jellies and moussed that have mostly left my hair sticky and producty.
Originally Posted by rainboe
Maybe it's a UK/ US thing? Glycerin is not ubiquitous in basic gels here.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Sorry! I was being US-centric in my comment there. Glycerin in hair products is really common here. I feel like I want to go snoop out some UK gels and see the difference now. XD
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse

Last edited by rainboe; 05-08-2013 at 05:26 AM.
[QUOTE=Lynaea;2168011]

Not sure if I'm misunderstanding you but just to clarify; I have been styling my hair wavy..... but since my hair is 2a on its own and maybe 2b when styled. [...] If I don't use stylers then my hair starts out 2a and at least I can get my fingers thru it to smooth flyaways or fix crazy bits. Also, i live in Florida and my hair is prone to poofiness most of the year, I'm not sure if its frizz, its more like it swells up, the only way to get it smooth and shiny instead of fried looking is to contain it for awhile till it calms down. My hair is BSL so its too heavy to wear in a ponytail or similar, if its misbehaving it generally ends up with the top pulled back in a clip or in a bun (or a braid etc if I have the time) I work in a lab around chemicals so I can't just leave it loose, if its looking good I just wear a headband but 'looking good' never seems to last.

I think most of my frustration is from wanting my hair to get/be wavier, I see all these wavies that start out with hair that looks worse than mine and barely wavy, then in a few weeks they are trying to decide whether their hair is 2c or 3a and I wonder what I'm doing wrong that my hair won't do that.

I think I just need to accept that my hair is not going to get any wavier than my current avitar and just focus on keeping it healthy which was my goal before the book and this website gave me the false hope of magically transforming my 2a hair into 3something spirals. I guess, like others who are mod-CG in other ways, I need to use the parts that work for me and ignore / avoid the heavy focus on stylers/styling/diffusing.

I like my hair, I like its versatility and that I can do braids and twists and other 'fancy' styles that most people don't do anymore, I like that its silky and shiny most of the time and I definitely like that I don't really have to style it if I don't want to. But the big push in CG is to use heavy stylers with complicated techniques and then keep your hands off and that part is not working for me.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Hi there! My curl pattern is similar to yours... a frizzy/floofy/poofy 2a w/out product and no scrunching and a 2b w/ product and/or scrunching. I also used to live in FL (and now live in a humid climate yearround, so even worse) so I understand your pain, and the fluff, swelling description.

In fact every time I know see a girl w/ fluffy, swelled "straight" hair I think... oh, her hair's not straight. That's why it looks like that. It's got a wave to it and she doesn't know how to manage it. "True" straight hair isn't fluffy or frizzy really.

I think your hair is beautiful and we won't all get super curly w/ CG. I do think there tends to be a goal here for the curlier the better, but that's not really the point. It's about embracing your own hair. So if 2a/2b is as curly as it wants to be, then so be it. If you feel like your 2b waves are falling out then just try to make the best out of your 2a waves.

I've been wondering about this myself... my fluffy 2a hair easily curls so it's easily gotten 2b (w/ some spirals!) since CG but I'm curious how to get the best 2a look. When my hair is 2b it's nicely defined but also hella flat. Me no like. I've been wondering recently how to go "backwards" and get the best 2a waves, but I don't think there's necessarily a lot of support here for "beach waves" or whatever. (The scrunching business for instance wouldn't work on me as they'll just give me a 2b look.)
I find tying my hair up or wearing it straight(ish) is the worst thing I can do, it can take three washes for my waves/ curls to recover from one straight style - and I don't use heat to get it.

Heat is only damaging over a certain temperature which you should not be reaching diffusing on a low setting. Some CG friendly ingredients you can use to help protect against it: was reading some good articles on the Natural Haven on this recently.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding you but just to clarify; I have been styling my hair wavy..... but since my hair is 2a on its own and maybe 2b when styled, it is only vaguely wavy to begin with. By midday the wave has started to fall out and it ends up essentially straight with a varying amount of flippy wave at the ends and if it was styled its sticky and stringy to boot. If I don't use stylers then my hair starts out 2a and at least I can get my fingers thru it to smooth flyaways or fix crazy bits. Also, i live in Florida and my hair is prone to poofiness most of the year, I'm not sure if its frizz, its more like it swells up, the only way to get it smooth and shiny instead of fried looking is to contain it for awhile till it calms down. My hair is BSL so its too heavy to wear in a ponytail or similar, if its misbehaving it generally ends up with the top pulled back in a clip or in a bun (or a braid etc if I have the time) I work in a lab around chemicals so I can't just leave it loose, if its looking good I just wear a headband but 'looking good' never seems to last.

I think most of my frustration is from wanting my hair to get/be wavier, I see all these wavies that start out with hair that looks worse than mine and barely wavy, then in a few weeks they are trying to decide whether their hair is 2c or 3a and I wonder what I'm doing wrong that my hair won't do that.

I think I just need to accept that my hair is not going to get any wavier than my current avitar and just focus on keeping it healthy which was my goal before the book and this website gave me the false hope of magically transforming my 2a hair into 3something spirals. I guess, like others who are mod-CG in other ways, I need to use the parts that work for me and ignore / avoid the heavy focus on stylers/styling/diffusing.

I like my hair, I like its versatility and that I can do braids and twists and other 'fancy' styles that most people don't do anymore, I like that its silky and shiny most of the time and I definitely like that I don't really have to style it if I don't want to. But the big push in CG is to use heavy stylers with complicated techniques and then keep your hands off and that part is not working for me.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
You sound a lot like me!!
I think your hair is beautiful and we won't all get super curly w/ CG. I do think there tends to be a goal here for the curlier the better, but that's not really the point. It's about embracing your own hair. So if 2a/2b is as curly as it wants to be, then so be it. If you feel like your 2b waves are falling out then just try to make the best out of your 2a waves.
Originally Posted by PomegranateCurl
I agree with you. I think the super curly mantras on NC stem from those who are curlies. Many curlies I know go to great lengths to straighten their hair, usually causing lots of damage, so the pendulum swings back to natural a little too far. Wavies are not the same, and the same things don't work for us.

I did the whole CG thing for years, and nothing I tried ever worked quite right. Gels make me look like I have a head of brown glass. They're just to heavy for my hair. Often, what works for many curlies is too heavy or too greasy for me. Plopping gives me all sorts of weird curl shapes, or it makes me frizzy and tangled. I am finding that combing my hair doesn't really contribute to the frizz that people say it will (what does contribute to it is the weather).

I think we go about things the "curly way" here when we should be going about them the "wavy way". Most people spend years trying to get body in their hair, where we have it naturally. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to do fun updos and braids. We should enjoy the hair we have instead of fearing it.
Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
I find tying my hair up or wearing it straight(ish) is the worst thing I can do, it can take three washes for my waves/ curls to recover from one straight style - and I don't use heat to get it.

Heat is only damaging over a certain temperature which you should not be reaching diffusing on a low setting. Some CG friendly ingredients you can use to help protect against it: was reading some good articles on the Natural Haven on this recently.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275
Not sure if I'm misunderstanding you but just to clarify; I have been styling my hair wavy..... but since my hair is 2a on its own and maybe 2b when styled, it is only vaguely wavy to begin with. By midday the wave has started to fall out and it ends up essentially straight with a varying amount of flippy wave at the ends and if it was styled its sticky and stringy to boot. If I don't use stylers then my hair starts out 2a and at least I can get my fingers thru it to smooth flyaways or fix crazy bits. Also, i live in Florida and my hair is prone to poofiness most of the year, I'm not sure if its frizz, its more like it swells up, the only way to get it smooth and shiny instead of fried looking is to contain it for awhile till it calms down. My hair is BSL so its too heavy to wear in a ponytail or similar, if its misbehaving it generally ends up with the top pulled back in a clip or in a bun (or a braid etc if I have the time) I work in a lab around chemicals so I can't just leave it loose, if its looking good I just wear a headband but 'looking good' never seems to last.

I think most of my frustration is from wanting my hair to get/be wavier, I see all these wavies that start out with hair that looks worse than mine and barely wavy, then in a few weeks they are trying to decide whether their hair is 2c or 3a and I wonder what I'm doing wrong that my hair won't do that.

I think I just need to accept that my hair is not going to get any wavier than my current avitar and just focus on keeping it healthy which was my goal before the book and this website gave me the false hope of magically transforming my 2a hair into 3something spirals. I guess, like others who are mod-CG in other ways, I need to use the parts that work for me and ignore / avoid the heavy focus on stylers/styling/diffusing.

I like my hair, I like its versatility and that I can do braids and twists and other 'fancy' styles that most people don't do anymore, I like that its silky and shiny most of the time and I definitely like that I don't really have to style it if I don't want to. But the big push in CG is to use heavy stylers with complicated techniques and then keep your hands off and that part is not working for me.
Originally Posted by Lynaea

I can relate... Naturally (with no product) I'm around 2A. If I work REALLY hard and use multiple products, tons of scrunching, diffusing, plopping etc I can get to a 2B-C. But inevitably, but hair goes back to 2A within a few hours and it has a coated, nasty feel from all the products.

I've been experimenting with all of that the past few months and finally got fed up. I'd end up washing my hair daily (sometimes twice!) because I'd try products then hate the feel.

Lately, I've been experimenting with ONE product at a time and no excessive techniques (by excessive I mean plopping, super soaking, etc- SO much work). It's so much less stressful. No, I don't get the curliest results but my waves are less frizzy and soft to the touch (not product-y).
2A/B. Mix of fine, medium, and coarse (mostly medium). Dense. Mix of normal and high porosity.
Dry climate.


Thank you Rainboe and Firefox, you were right!

Target was a bust, the pure clean gel has glycerin so I ended up at Sally's. I got the Volumax Mega Gel that Angelicak mentioned, not sure if that was this thread though. First try was just okay but I applied it wrong because I'm used to jellies, so second time I did it right and diffused till nice and crispy. SOTC'd this morning and had beautiful defined s-waves and some spirals at front. It was also shiny and pretty soft, it held up well pretty much all day with minimal frizz and I got two compliments!
Yay!!

Pic is from this morning.
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!

Last edited by Lynaea; 05-10-2013 at 07:41 PM.
Thank you Rainboe and Firefox, you were right!

Target was a bust, the pure clean gel has glycerin so I ended up at Sally's. I got the Volumax Mega Gel that Angelicak mentioned, not sure if that was this thread though. First try was just okay but I applied it wrong because I'm used to jellies, so second time I did it right and diffused till nice and crispy. SOTC'd this morning and had beautiful defined s-waves and some spirals at front. It was also shiny and pretty soft, it held up well pretty much all day with minimal frizz and I got two compliments!
Yay!!

Pic is from this morning.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
Oh my gosh, I'm so glad it worked for you! That's awesome. Your hair looks really pretty.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
I just found this thread, and it hit home! I'm sick of being a product junkie and I'm throwing in the towel too!
About 2 years ago, I found out I'm actually a wavy, and my hair is not straight or curly.
Before those 2 years I had just started to treat my hair better, giving up the heatstyling, trying to use as much as possibly natural products.
I saw the structure of my hair change as it got more nourished and softer, and my waves came out.

Being on a high, I looked into the CG method, but I absolutely hate that gelled, hard, structured feeling. Not touching my hair, even having to sit up straight in my car because touching the back of my seat would frizz out the waves... Not to mention day 2, that was non-existant.

I have dry hair, and I can easily go a week or more without washing, it doesn't do my dry hair any good washing every other day and putting more product on. For about a year I have tried every possible curl enhancing product I can find here in Belgium,
I have tried plopping, I have tried gel, I have tried curling creams, but my hair doesn't behave.

So I give up, and I only want to get back to my healthy hair that feels soft and doesn't frizz. I've scheduled a trim for next week, and I'm not fighting anymore. If it wants to curl, I'll let it curl, if it wants to hang straight, I'll let it. With 3 small children and a very busy life, I'm putting it in a bun more often than not, and on a very good hair day, I'll leave it down...

If I could just get a few tips on how to avoid the tangled mess in the nape of my neck, that would be great
I just found this thread, and it hit home! I'm sick of being a product junkie and I'm throwing in the towel too!
About 2 years ago, I found out I'm actually a wavy, and my hair is not straight or curly.
Before those 2 years I had just started to treat my hair better, giving up the heatstyling, trying to use as much as possibly natural products.
I saw the structure of my hair change as it got more nourished and softer, and my waves came out.

Being on a high, I looked into the CG method, but I absolutely hate that gelled, hard, structured feeling. Not touching my hair, even having to sit up straight in my car because touching the back of my seat would frizz out the waves... Not to mention day 2, that was non-existant.

I have dry hair, and I can easily go a week or more without washing, it doesn't do my dry hair any good washing every other day and putting more product on. For about a year I have tried every possible curl enhancing product I can find here in Belgium,
I have tried plopping, I have tried gel, I have tried curling creams, but my hair doesn't behave.

So I give up, and I only want to get back to my healthy hair that feels soft and doesn't frizz. I've scheduled a trim for next week, and I'm not fighting anymore. If it wants to curl, I'll let it curl, if it wants to hang straight, I'll let it. With 3 small children and a very busy life, I'm putting it in a bun more often than not, and on a very good hair day, I'll leave it down...

If I could just get a few tips on how to avoid the tangled mess in the nape of my neck, that would be great
Originally Posted by itsonlyme
Maybe just put leave in conditioners there in your problem spot. Afaik conditioning is the only way to get over tangles.
I agree, maybe just a light leave-in is all you need. If your hair is feeling dry a deep moisturizing treatment should help. You might also want to check out the thread on Conditioner Only Styling, it might be just what you're looking for.

I've found that frizz has a lot to do with getting the balance and products right for your hair. Before going CG my hair would be frizzy-poofy in the summer and limp and lifeless in the winter. So far this summer I've had no poof and minimal frizz and though I don't especially like that I can't run my fingers through my hair I have found that's a good trade off for having pretty, shiny waves instead. When I feel the need to touch my hair I forgo stylers for a day or two to get it out of my system.
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
I have barely 2a hair that sometimes gets wavier at times but not very not all the time and not the same way twice. It is so frustrating! It is so awesome to know that im not the only one having these problems. My question is if i dont use tons of products or tecniques and just let it be it looks horrible. Its not straight and not close to 2a. It looks messy,unkempt,with flips and bends. This is made even worse since i have layers. But if i try to straighten or smooth it out it wont its so stubborn it resists any attempt to make it a little wavy or straight. I need advice on how to get it to some happy medium.



Also do you guys scrunch your hair when your not tryin to make it real wavy? What is your routine when your not using alot of effort with using products,tecniques and a bunch of effort. Im tryin to accept my hair how it is but its a mess and dosent look good. I wish it was either straight or wavy not this inbetween. Please help!
I have barely 2a hair that sometimes gets wavier at times but not very not all the time and not the same way twice. It is so frustrating! It is so awesome to know that im not the only one having these problems. My question is if i dont use tons of products or tecniques and just let it be it looks horrible. Its not straight and not close to 2a. It looks messy,unkempt,with flips and bends. This is made even worse since i have layers. But if i try to straighten or smooth it out it wont its so stubborn it resists any attempt to make it a little wavy or straight. I need advice on how to get it to some happy medium.



Also do you guys scrunch your hair when your not tryin to make it real wavy? What is your routine when your not using alot of effort with using products,tecniques and a bunch of effort. Im tryin to accept my hair how it is but its a mess and dosent look good. I wish it was either straight or wavy not this inbetween. Please help!
Originally Posted by saralacy
I looked back at some of your other posts so I could answer better. My hair is fine too and before I started using LOTS of protein it would barely hold a wave. I also definitely need a hard hold gel to keep the wave through the whole day (the styled wave, otherwise my hair reverts to big 2A S-waves). If you're already doing those things then its probably the layers(?), my fine hair looks too thin at the ends when in layers and tends to lay funny. Is your hair long enough that you could get 2-3 inches taken off? I generally ask for a specific amount trimmed off and that the ends are scooped like a half-moon, so the sides are a bit shorter then the center back. I don't know if you found another stylist but I would think most would be able to handle that.

I have also found that most products are just too heavy/moisturizing for my hair, once I started focusing on protein rather then moisture my hair got wavier (or at least held the wave better). Unfortunately, most of the recs on these boards are from people with tighter wave/curl patterns, if something weighs their hair down a bit they may not even notice. One thing I do to make sure my hair has enough protein (which seems to give it more structure) is to scrunch the length when its wet; if it feels mushy and pliable (similar to mashed potatoes ) then its getting too moisturized, when it has some mass/structure to it and holds a good wave when I let it go, I know I've got a good balance. It took awhile for me to notice a difference when I first started adding protein but once it got 'proteined-up' the difference was dramatic. At this point I avoid anything with more than 2-3 oils/butters in it, and only use products that contain protein.

As to your last question, when I don't feel like 'styling' my hair, I do still scrunch it and I plop and diffuse through that, then I let it air dry. I actually did this last night and I woke up with decent 2A waves, and I am definitely better appreciating the awesome cut I just got from a non-curly stylist. If you're still hunting, I've always had the best luck with non-chain, strip-mall type places. A stylist who rents her chair and is essentially her own boss is more likely to want to do what YOU want. When I've been between stylists I tend to walk in and ask them to trim a specific amount (usually 1/2 inch) and see how it goes. My current stylist not only did exactly what I asked but also asked tons of questions about my lifestyle and my goals for my hair. It may take a few tries to find someone good but it is well worth it.

I've kind of wandered between subjects here but it sounds to me like you need to get a decent cut and maybe add more protein and use less oils/butters/moisturizing products. I hope at least some of my rambling is helpful, I definitely understand your frustration.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!

Last edited by Lynaea; 06-02-2013 at 07:39 AM.
I have barely 2a hair that sometimes gets wavier at times but not very not all the time and not the same way twice. It is so frustrating! It is so awesome to know that im not the only one having these problems. My question is if i dont use tons of products or tecniques and just let it be it looks horrible. Its not straight and not close to 2a. It looks messy,unkempt,with flips and bends. This is made even worse since i have layers. But if i try to straighten or smooth it out it wont its so stubborn it resists any attempt to make it a little wavy or straight. I need advice on how to get it to some happy medium.



Also do you guys scrunch your hair when your not tryin to make it real wavy? What is your routine when your not using alot of effort with using products,tecniques and a bunch of effort. Im tryin to accept my hair how it is but its a mess and dosent look good. I wish it was either straight or wavy not this inbetween. Please help!
Originally Posted by saralacy
I always scrunch my hair. How are you drying it? Because I scrunch my hair with a towel or tshirt. Twisting my hair into a towel takes the curl out. So, an easy day for me would be putting leave-in in my hair, then plopping when I get dressed to get my hair out of the way, then taking it down. Then I scrunch a bit more and Im done. But that's pretty much my normal routine anyway.

For me, layers help it with volume and curl. If its all one length, my hair will weight itself down.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
lynaea and rainboe thanks for your replies, you have given me some great advice! Lynaea i have a few questions about the protein when you were trying to get your protein built up besides the products with protein how often did you do protein treatments, do you follow them up with moisture condish, does it really help using shampoo and condish or lowpoo with protien, also how do you know if you need a leave in? I am trying to find a good sls free shampoo and a conditioner i like I have used a lot of different ones tha have been recomended on here but have not found any that really stand out same goes with stylers. I got my hair analysis a while ago and I am fine,normal porosity with low elasticity. I have been using the nexus emergency and IA girls protein treatment. If you could help guide me i would greatly appreciate it you can PM me if you want. Thank you so much!


Rainboe I usually diffuse or let my hair air dry. It really seems to dry straighter when i air dry. I usually put my hair up in a microfiber turbie twist or i scunch it with my aquis microfiber towel I usually get about the same results either way. Then i put my products in and onto whichever drying method i use. Also i have tried plopping but its a real pain for me so i dont do it very often.

Okay sorry i think im done rambling on for now at least. Thanks
Saralacy,
When I started with protein I followed the accepted rule to follow all PT's with a DT but my hair never seemed to change. Then I started adding daily products with protein a little at a time. At some point I read that some people didn't really need a DT after a PT, so I tried that AND continued to add more daily products with protein. I was doing the wet-scrunch test most if this time and my hair ALWAYS felt mushy and had weak, blah waves. At some point I finally hit the happy spot and one day my wet hair actually felt somewhat substantial and held a tight wave when I released it. At this point I do PT's maybe twice a month when I feel like it, almost every product I use contains protein, but especially my LI & stylers.

All that said, what my hair needs may not be what yours does, you have to go partly by what hair with your properties 'should' like and partly by experimentation. All you can do is add protein and see how your hair reacts.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
I'm on the app so I can't edit.

Saralacy, I use a LI because my hair is low porosity and it didn't seem to absorb a RO as well as a LI. The best way to find products is to stalk people with similar hair properties . Preferably someone who's been CG awhile and has there hair mostly figured out. But even then it's all a gamble.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!

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