The woes of a Wavie.

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I love Jessicurl Cleansing Cream--use once per week and water it down in a cup before use. Lately too, use Kiehls shampoo--a castille one--also watered down by 1/2 with water in a cup then use immediately. Condish. variable--right now, Loreal Vive and Jessicurl Aloeba--now using a marble size of each for condish wash daily and another marble post condish wash and that is it. ...Occasionally use coconut oil as a DT--but honestly never remember to do a DT. I use a leave in (Kiehls) occasionally under my gel....
2C/3A auburn hair.
between shoulders and BSL
curly at the temples, with waves and no consistant curl at the back. Underneath, my hair is almost completely straight
It's frustrating for me because I have hair that is only 50 percent wavy and then the other 50 percent under my canopy is almost straight.
Yes! This is exactly my hair too! I have a couple of adorable (if I do say so myself) loose corkscrews at my temples and at the very nape of my neck. Then I have moderate waves at the side of my head. Then I have a canopy of very very loose waves that rarely ever clump together. Then underneath that, accounting for almost half my total hair, it is almost completely straight.

I wonder if I'd never had a perm and seen how good I look (if I do say so myself) with ringlets if I'd struggle so much with my wavy hair now? Like I said earlier, I do like the way my hair looks most of the time, so I have that "wavy pride" and all, but it just takes effort since I have to start fresh every day. I've had my epiphanies and I've had my big moments of acceptance, but they never last and I'm right back to being frustrated again!

Ok, now you really have me curious, are the "frayed paintbrush ends" a wavy trait?
I definitely have those too, so maybe it is! The parts of my hair that have the strongest wave or curl do NOT have paintbrush ends. The weaker and almost straight parts of my hair DO have the paintbrush ends. The stronger curl seems to "lock" all the individual hairs together in a nice cohesive "rope", whereas the weaker curl seems to let the individual hairs splay out.

What shampoo & conditioner do you use? Have you tried any Jesicurl products?
I love Jessicurl products. The hair cleansing cream is very nice (although I do use a mild sulfate shampoo now and then too, or my hair gets too limp). I also love Rockin Ringlets. It helps keep my clumps together. My hair really is much more healthy now that I use good products.
Sporting: Long hair that can't make up its mind. Wavy? Curly? Straight? It's anyone's guess!
Chelle wrote:
Eastcoastwaves-I have a question for you, you said that wavy hair is bouncy, shiny, swingable, my question is this, is your hair naturally bouncy and full of body?
My hair in it's natural virgin state (meaning no leave in or product) has some body, it is thick and tends to be dry, frizzes up easily, but is somewhay bouncy. add some good leave in, as you said the proper conditioner & poo make ALL the difference for wavies, and a light no hold styler and bouncy, shiny waves (with some frizz ). Style means a lot. do not dicount the importance of the hairstyle and length/weight of wavy hair. you can have one haircut and your waves will filp out in weird random directions (in a REALLY unflettering way) but change your style and your hair can look wonderful. Speaking only for myself, my hair looks & behaves at it's very best all one length with a few face framing long layers in front starting at chin level. my hair is between shoulder & bra-strap length, about 1 inch above my bra strap. This style (or lack thereof) shows my waves off best as they naturally curl more at the ends. the longer it gets, the more they curl into some random ringlet-thing-ys& the nicer the overall look. the scant layers in front prevent "pyramid head" & lift the waves in front to give some natural lightness at the crown. I flip it from one side part to the other during the day to maintain some height. This style is so easy to maintain, for me and I can do so much with it as far as putting it up. I am never "stuck" with a bad hair day...i just sweep it up and forget it. No bangs to mess with (in my personal experience, wavy bangs are a nightmare) no layers to flip out all over & look messy (again, personal experience only)_ It took awhile to suffer through teporary "pyramid-bob-head" til my hair grew past my shoulders, but once it did, life with my hair has been soooo easy, the weight of the length helps prevent too much poofing up, also the lack of layers (i had my hair layered ONCE...never again, it took tons of effort to make it look decent, and I couldn't do a thing with it, my random waves & curls were made to look like permanent bedhead with straight pieces sticking out & hanging way past the other layers *shudder* ) now, at this length it looks neat but toussel-ey. I am very happy with this cut/stlye for my hair. but everyone's hair is different, this is just what works for me. hairdressers were always saying " let me put in some layers, it'll encourage your curl", Bull*%&#, it'll stick out everywhere & the ends of the layers will look awful because my hair is not curly. you can add as many layers as you like & it will not magically change hair types & become curly. It is wavy, please treat it accordingly .
"It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got"

2b
Chelle and Flippit,
I can't believe somebody else has this hair idiosyncracy of "frayed paintbrush ends!" I though I was just "special."

Personally, I know my hair isn't damaged, something my hairdresser confirmed. She says that's just the texture of my hair towards the nape of my neck. And I didn't develop this until after I had my son three years ago. My hair was almost straight (while I'm on the pill myhair is straight). But during my pregnancy my hair was very curly everywhere and it's been three years postpartum and my hair texture is still changing. I think it's reverting back to it's straightie state slowly but surely as more and more of my hair seems to look like a frayed paintbrush. I hate these ends because they make for an ugly ponytail that looks like it lost a tug of war with a pitbull.
2C, Asian hair, very thick and coarse. And virtually indestructible, leaving a swath of destruction of exploded barettes, rubberbands and snapped chopsticks in its wake.
Personally, I know my hair isn't damaged, something my hairdresser confirmed.
Yep my hair is in really good condition too. I've had two stylists remark on how nice and healthy my hair is. The little flippy frayed bits are one reason I started blow-drying my hair so it wouldn't look so ratty in a ponytail. I kind of curl them with a round brush.

Part of my waviness is hereditary and part is probably hormonal, because my hair seems to change every time my hormones do! My dad has fine hair that forms tight corkscrews and ringlets. My Asian mother has frizzy, coarse hair with a very slight bend. Her hair has the frayed-brush look because that slight bend happens at the bottom of her hair. So my hair is somewhere in between these two and depending on the day, it might be BOTH of these at once!
Sporting: Long hair that can't make up its mind. Wavy? Curly? Straight? It's anyone's guess!
I hate these ends because they make for an ugly ponytail that looks like it lost a tug of war with a pitbull.
Originally Posted by ValleyGirl71
LOL! My ponytails (when my hair is long enough) are like that... no matter what I do I have pieces flipping out in different directions like they're trying to escape.
California Waves-I used Jess's Creamy cleeanser, Too Shea and Aloeba but the only product I *love* is the CC, I really *like* the Too Shea and the Aloeba is so so, RR was too heavy for my hair and Gelebration makes it frizzy.....go figure but I am anxious to see what her new product is like.

Eastcoast-I can't wait for my hair to grow out again because that is exactly what I was thinking would happen. My stylist is always wanting to give me layers to give give me more bounce....I tried to tell her that layers do not give me more body or bounce....they flatten my hair and mess up the curl pattern. The way you described is how I would like to have mine....basically all one length with just a few choppy layers and some shorter pieces around my face (chin length). Mine gets some really neat curls in it as it lengthens too but the shorter pieces (some of which are at the top of my ear when curly) have these straight and frazzly ends which drive me nuts. I was going to have it trimmed all over to get rid of these but after reading this I think I will just let it grow and see if they go away on their own.

If the frayed ends were caused from damage they should be on the longer pieces, the pieces that have frazzly ends are only about 5 inches long, they are on the canopy but they haven't had that much more abuse than the rest. Actually if I am not really careful when styling *a lot* of the ends of my layers will stick out straight and sort of frazzly, once they hit my shoulders the start to develop into some neat curls.

As far as a no crunch soft feeling styler, I really, really like the Garnier Fructis mousse, it is just great. No crunch at all, shine, very soft feel but controls frizz and has even managed to keep my ends from looking frazzly.

One more thing (eastcoast and anyone else that wants to answer ) when is the best time for you to put in product? When it is wet, damp, ? and do you comb your hair at all or finger comb your product through? Just wondering how that effects your waves? There are times when I have great luck finger combing products through and times when it pulls my waves right out but I like the feel of finger combing and it seems to make my hair shinier and healtheir looking.

Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
I just wanted to share that I just started using L'oreal Liquid Gel Styling spray gel.. because of Laurabeth's reccomendations

I can't spray it directly on my hair, instead I sprayed in my my hands and distributed it that way. My hair hd great definition and was soft.. my only complaint was my canopy frizz.. but thats a whole other problem entirely..

anyway.. I reccomend this gel.. its alcohol free
~*Lauren*~
2b/3a, fine, thick, dry hair
Past shoulder length, gets wavy when longer and curly when shorter.
What shampoo & conditioner do you use? Have you tried any Jesicurl products? I am tempted to try them and were curious what your results were. Thanks!
I have tried Jessicurls cleansing cream and I liked it alot. I still use it.

I also tried Rocking Ringlets and Gelebration.. I really liked Rocking Ringlets but it didn't help with my frizz problem and Gelebration made my hair look nice in the morning good clumping and definition, soft waves/curls.. but then by the end of the day it was flat and limp again..

I haven't tried any of her conditioners though.
~*Lauren*~
2b/3a, fine, thick, dry hair
Past shoulder length, gets wavy when longer and curly when shorter.
Eastcoastwaves

I agree with you on almost every count; however, regarding wavies not needing hold (hence, no gel): I have found that my hair needs just a touch of gel or else it gets poufy. In my case gel is not to "lock" in curl, but to lightly hold my hair so that I don't get that mid to later day puff. I would love to eliminate this step, but so far haven't been able to find that one product to do it all (de-frizz, condition & some hold). I am open to suggestions.
Mishy (color-treated, thick, 2b/2c, several inches below shoulder length, long layers).
My hair is definitely wavy, I can't say that its curly and I can't say that its straight. My hair is bouncy, full of body and I have tons of hair to go around. I always permed because I wanted it curly, then in college I straightened it every morning (30-45 minutes). But as soon as the humidity rose or I put my hair behind my ear or it rained, my hair was flippy and wavy again. I never understood my hair, but now this board makes me feel better that others have the same issues.
So now i am natural. My hair is mostly wavy, almost straight underneath and straight at the root. Its gets curlier/wavier as it gets longer, but is still wavy when it is short. It has its pieces that loosely corkscrew and others that stay straight.
Currently, my hair is between shoulder to bra strap length with long layers. I have an appt this weekend with my hairdresser. She knows about my hair, so she will never cut it into short layers. I will probably get some face framing layers with my long layers. But my goal is to grow it even longer.
Right now, I have been looking for a good shampoo/condish. I was using Marc Anthony Strictly Curls...but I think it was too drying. Now I am trying Biosilk Hydrating Poo and Condish. So far, i am liking it, it leaves my hair soft and it is easy to rinse out. The poo doesn't lather much (i think it has a sulfate in it), but it gets rid of whatever was in my hair the day before. The condish is so light and easy to put just a little or a lot, depending on your hair. It never feels like it is going to weigh my hair down and it is easy to rinse completely out or leave in.
I comb in the shower with the condish in. I then rinse it out (leaving about 10% at the ends) and squeeze out the excess water. Then when my hair is still wet (i don't let it dry too much or I get a halo at the top) I use a leave-in (currently it is neutrogena triple moisture leave-in), then i use garnier smoothing milk. They leave my hair really soft. But both have cones. Then i use a gel (currently it is ouidad climate control). I find that it is not too sticky, or thick and the crunch can be scrunched out. It is not my ideal, but i am going to use it up and try something else when i am finished. It doesn't always prevent frizz in this horrible east coast humidity. But it is easy to wash out and it isn't stiff. I just rake everything through my tons of hair. Then i plop. After getting dressed and doing my makeup (about 15 minutes), I diffuse my hair upside down. I use low speed and medium heat while putting my hair in the diffuse bowl (no hands) and I do this for about 3 minutes (twice around head). I then switch to the cold (low heat) and do it for about a minute (once around head). Then I flip my hair up and to each side and blow dry underneath for about a minute. Then I blow dry the roots without the diffuser to try to get some lift (I use hair spray at the roots to add lift). Be careful, don't do this for too long and no touching of the hair. I find that once my hair is just a little dry, it can frizz by the slightest touch. I don't like a part because I feel like it flattens my hair, so i try to create lift and no part at the top. Then when I am happy with the top, i spray a little bit of hairspray at the top ONLY.
At this point, my hair is about 40% dry. So I leave for work.
Thats it :P
It usually looks like it is going to be straight or slightly wavy but it can get so wavy and curly when just that last 10% dries.
By noon, it curls, waves or stay straight wherever it wants for the rest of the day. If I lay on it or put it behind an ear, a spritz of water brings it right back to life.
I have been preventing halo frizz at the top with this new poo and condish. But that can easily change in a week or two.

That is my routine...anyone else do anything that is a sure thing to beautiful wavy hair?
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
Forgot to ask in my last post.

What kind of gel or creme, etc prevent frizz and have light hold? Does anyone have any suggestions?
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
chelle wrote
One more thing (eastcoast and anyone else that wants to answer ) when is the best time for you to put in product?
I blot lightly after the shower & put a dab of leave in then whatever styre, or kust styler right away. i comb ith through with a wide tooth comb then shake to loosen. that's it, i try not to touch til dry then it's fine.

Mishy wrote
agree with you on almost every count; however, regarding wavies not needing hold (hence, no gel): I have found that my hair needs just a touch of gel or else it gets poufy
I may have spoken too quickly on the gel subject, or not clarified what exactly i was trying to say. I cannot go with out some product. I do find most thick gels are designed to provide hold. i do not need "hold" if you define hold by meaning "keeping in place". What I need is definition, meaning helping the waves "clump" together and reduce poufiness & frizz. I'm looking forward to jessicurl's new cream product! it sounds wonderful. in my experience, gels have provided to much "hold" for my hair, I have better luck with creams such as iso bouncy cream, and even jessicurl RR was ok for me. (I love jess's hcc though!! and too shea is really good in my hair). hope I explained my definition of hold a bit better
"It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got"

2b
One more thing (eastcoast and anyone else that wants to answer ) when is the best time for you to put in product? When it is wet, damp, ? and do you comb your hair at all or finger comb your product through? Just wondering how that effects your waves?
Chelle
Originally Posted by Chelle
Chelle - I'm so glad that you like the CC... I am so tempted since I hear great things. It's nice to know it works for a lot of you wavies!! Also, I put in my styling product after it's towel-dried a little bit (about 10 mins). I actually finger comb just near the scalp... it tends to get tangled and doesn't curl anyway, so I don't worry about discrupting any waces there. Then I smooth my product over my hair, like I'm putting my hair in a ponytail (I use Boots and learned this tecnique from lalala), then I scrunch. This usually does a good job of keeping the curls/waves looking good.

chrisnj0614 - I use Boots and it does a GREAT job of moisturizing my hair and giving good hold... just the right amount with no crunch!

PS: I love this thread... it's so informative!
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
I have decided i am not worrying about my hair anymore. I am commited to using the best product ingredient-wise to cleanse and condition and deep-treat my hair. I am no longer going to use more than one tyling product on my hair or attempt to contort it into styles and textures that it is not meant to be. I am freeing my waves. freeing them to be what they are and to keep them as healthy as possible. if i have a frizzy day I will not be dousing my hair in products or diffusing or moulding anything. i am putting it in a ponytail. My hair will not be more important than my life.
Originally Posted by eastcoastwaves
eastcoastwaves - I love what you said here! This is my goal too. I've been too preoccupied with my hair for too long. I want to have healthy hair and I'll just put it back off my face if I'm having a strange hair day. You verbalized it so well!
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
What kind of gel or creme, etc prevent frizz and have light hold? Does anyone have any suggestions?
Paul Mitchell makes a product called The Cream (and there's a generic version at Sally's for much cheaper) which is creamy, conditoning, and has very light hold. The hold is too light for me by itself, unless I put it in then sleep with my hair in a bun overnight. If I use it by itself and airdry, my hair turns into a poofy snakey mess.
Sporting: Long hair that can't make up its mind. Wavy? Curly? Straight? It's anyone's guess!
Thanks for all your reviews on the Jessicurl Cleansing Cream... I broke down and bought it (the trial size in both scents) since you ladies seem to really love it. I was looking for a gentle shampoo to try. This will definately be my last purchase for a while though!
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
Eastcoast-What leave in do you use? I'm wondering if it's a creamy one?

Flippit-I use PM The Cream too, it gives my hair a lot more body but not really any hold, I use mousse or gel over it. I'm still loving my Garnier Fructis mousse.
The Cream can be heavy but my hair is so much fluffier and softer with it than without it.

Californiawaves-I have some Boots but have only used it once. The smell is repulsive to me but I think I'll try it again to see if I like the hold. I think Jessicurls new product is supposed to *resemble* this.....I'm sure hers will smell so much better.

Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
Hey Chelle,

When I first got the jar of Boots, I was thinking - Gosh, this is a strong smell... I don't think I like it. But now, the smell has really grown on me - it smells like roses and really clean. Plus, once it gets in my hair, I can't smell it anymore. I hope you enjoy it! It's a great product! I think you're right about Jessicurl's new product - sounds like it will be really similar.
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
I'm really, really senstive to smells.....I don'l like the smell of roses When I get flowers delivered I love them but usual end up putting them out on the back porch because they give me such a bad headache. I can handle (and love) food type of smells but anything flowery or perfumey is bad news for me....


Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help

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