The woes of a Wavie.

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Thanks for the rec on Giovanni products, Flippit -- I'll check that out!
I had a great hair day yesterday! I got my hair cut on Saturday and did not wash my hair until Monday. Yesterday I used PlayCurl Poo and Condish, Neutrogena Triple Moisture and GF Smoothing Milk as leave-ins. Then I used Ouidad Climate Control gel and plopped for 15 minutes. I then diffused upside down. Then I was rushed (had to bring my parents to the airport), so I touched the top of my hair and it frizzed. So I put some Suave Aloe Vera Gel on the top (at my roots) for volume and then on the sides where I frizzed. By noon, my hair was frizz free and had volume at the top and curls/waves on the bottom. By 4 it was still good. The curls started to droop by 7 (but that is the Ouidad CC, it always does that). But my curls clumped and were soft and frizz free.

ANYWAY...it was the best hair day I have had since going natural. YAY!

Still waiting for my Boots....
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
I cannot achieve 2nd day hair, which is fine with me. Do you all wash your hair everyday? If not, do you just condition?
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
I don't. I wash every 2nd or 3rd day. I don't wet it on the days I don't wash, I don't see the point. the whole point of "second and third day hair" is that you DON't wash/soak/re-product it. otherwise it would just be a "no shampoo day", not "second day hair" .if my hair looks 'wonky" on a no wash day I put it up. Works for me. I know that giving my hair a one or 2 day rest between washing makes it look better overall & when I do wash I get 100% less frizz, probably because allowing my scalp's natural sebum to condition my hair without stripping & rinsing it away everyday . my hair looks a million times better since I started using sls free shampoos & silicone free conditioners & styling product. Another key point is i don't put much product in, just a touch for some definition. The more stuff you put on your hair, whe worse it will look on a no wash day. just my own personal experience.
HTH
"It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got"

2b
Eastcoast-That is what I have been trying to do for 2nd day hair too.....I can't do 2nd day hair generally (looks horrid) but I can pin it up. What is the sense in giving your hair a break from shampooing but still putting it through the rigors of styling Honestly, the styling is probably harder on my hair since I use a blow dryer and a curling iron

Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
Hi eastcoastwaves,

Do you find that your hair gets really soft with sulfate-free shampoos? I just tried Jessicurl's HCC the other day, which I was really excited about since it looks like it is really good for hair. After washing and conditioning, I put in my usual styling product (Boots), but as I was doing so, my hair felt so light, almost weightless. I think the shampoo made my hair so soft that it didn't want to hold a curl. Have you experienced this at all when using sulfate-free shampoos? I really want to use them for my hair, since they are surely more healthy for it, but it seems to be hard to style...
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
CaliforniaWaves,
I haven't noticed that my hair gets too "soft" with sls free poos, but I think it would make sense, since not all of your natural scalp oils are being stripped away like with regular sulfate shampoos. i do notice a different feeling in my hair while it is wet after i shampoo. I think it just takes some getting used to, we are so used to using sulfate shampoos and we equate that stripped "squeaky-clean" feeling with being fresh, clean & healthy. anything less feels less-than-clean sometimes. I have been using sulfate free poss for almost 2 months now and i am quite used to handling my hair now, I DID have to get used to the different condition of my hair. You may notice a difference between shampoo brands & formulas. as far as sulfate free shampoos go, I have tried Jessicurl HCC (sample), J/A/S/S/O/N natural EFA shampoo, and Aveda Sap Moss (I LOVE this one). I do notice that the jessicurl leaves my hair the softest of the three, I credit this to her use of beneficial oils. One thing I notice makes a huge difference is ro rinse, rinse, rinse the shampoo out, super-well. For me, ANY shampoo residue is a problem. while i don't rinde out my condish all the way, I have to be really careful to rinse out the shampoo %100. I don't thow if this is any help to you, but I'm learning as i go too
"It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got"

2b
Chelle
What is the sense in giving your hair a break from shampooing but still putting it through the rigors of styling
My point exactly, you are right about the styling being just as hard ad the shampooing on hair. Today, for example is a 2nd day hair day for me. I got up, put it in a jaw clip & showered, took the clip out & shook my hair, re-twisted it into a a half twist, sort of messy-tousseled look (the jaw clips look BEST if your hair is somewhay slept on & messy) but it is up, so it still looks neat...if that makes sense, messy but neat. I don't do A THING to my second day hair, that's why it IS second day hair. If you are constantly soaking, conditioning, diffusing, piling product on your hair every single day, It's no better for your hair that if you were to wash it with a sulfate free poo. I don't get the reasoning behind "conditioner" washing your hair every day either, (unless you have really dry/wiry/coarse tight curl that gets super-fuzzy when you sleep on it maybe?? even then i'd think a break would be beneficial). I would think just leaving it alone for a day would be much better for your hair. Granted, I know there ARE hair types that simply cannot go without wetting/taming their hair in some way, I am speaking only for myself (and my hair type). I don't think wavies NEED to wash/wet/condition/wash/style every day, I can't see any reason other that wanting "styled" hair everyday. Personally i love the freedom of getting up, showering & going...not thinking twice about my hair, just clip or pony & go. Just me though, everyone is different
"It's not having what you want, it's wanting what you've got"

2b
Eastcoast-I know what you mean but I must tell you it does take some getting used to. I left my hair go yesterday and just put it up in a jaw clip since I had a hair appointment that evening anyway and I felt self conscious all day. I am used to being "fixed" every day and when I'm not I feel like people are staring at me I am going to work on it though because with going to school and being busier than I have ever been I could use some time off in the hair styling department.

Somehow I just don't think I pull off the messy look well

Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
SO yesterday I had another good hair day. Pretty good curl definition that lasted until bedtime (11pm for me), with little to no frizz. I used the same routine as I explained before, the only difference was that yesterday was a humidity free day here in NJ.
But yesterday I also got my Boots!
Today i tried it for the first time. My hair is not hard, but actually soft. For the first time it is clumping really well. There is also no frizz (the test of this however is when I leave work and go out in the humidity). I have tons of body. My only problem right now, is that i don't have as many curls as I would like. It looks like i am a straightie that scrunched. I normally have more curls with my ouidad and no scrunching. I will not blame the boots for this yet. I would like to give it some time and mix and match styling products. I might add a curl defining lotion (marc anthony) to it tomorrow and eliminate my smoothing milk (it has silicones). I probably won't use as much Boots either. I'll keep you posted.
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
SO yesterday I had another good hair day. Pretty good curl definition that lasted until bedtime (11pm for me), with little to no frizz. I used the same routine as I explained before, the only difference was that yesterday was a humidity free day here in NJ.
But yesterday I also got my Boots!
Today i tried it for the first time. My hair is not hard, but actually soft. For the first time it is clumping really well. There is also no frizz (the test of this however is when I leave work and go out in the humidity). I have tons of body. My only problem right now, is that i don't have as many curls as I would like. It looks like i am a straightie that scrunched. I normally have more curls with my ouidad and no scrunching. I will not blame the boots for this yet. I would like to give it some time and mix and match styling products. I might add a curl defining lotion (marc anthony) to it tomorrow and eliminate my smoothing milk (it has silicones). I probably won't use as much Boots either. I'll keep you posted.
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
Sorry about the double post.

Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
hey chrisnj0614 - It definately took me a couple days to figure out how much of the Boots to use, but I love the fact that my waves/curls are soft!

I have been trying Jessicurl's HCC the past couple days, but so far, I think it is pulling out most of my curls. The combination of the HCC and Boots seems to be not enough hold and just gives my curls a fluffy look. I'm still experimenting, but I am definately sticking with Boots as my styling product.. I love it!
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
Ok girls, I have a tub of Boots that I have only used once, got so so results and never used it again. How do you apply it, finger comb? damp or soakign wet? and how much? My hair is about an inch below my shoulders with lots of layers (that I hate )

I'd love to have a really good hair day with it

Chelle
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help
Chelle,

I use it on damp, towel-dried hair. I scoop out about a nickle-sized amount on to my hands and rub them together (the Boots will turn white on your hands). Then I smooth it on like I am putting my hair into a pony tail, making sure to coat all of my hair. Then to boost the curl a bit, I scrunch a little, and then I am done. It has worked wonderfully for about a month for me.
2c with some 3a thrown in for fun!
Well there are a couple things I have figured out about my hair since coming to NC.com:
1) It looks better the day after not washing it
2) Silicones are bad for me
3) Too much product obviously weighs my hair down

Therefore, tomorrow I have decided to not use my leave-in (it has cones) or my smoothing milk (also has cones). My day will be wash, condish, mc curl defining lotion (just a little as a leave-in), then boots (less than i used today). I get so nervous that my hair will look horrible that i throw more and more products in without taking out the old ones.

I decided that I wanted to go -cone free, so i ordered samples of Jessicurl HCC and aloeba condish. i wasn't supposed to, b/c I have way too many poos and condishes.

CaliforniaWaves - I love that they are soft too. there is no frizziness either (right now). I will definitely put less in tomorrow. I think you mentioned this before, but how much Boots do you use (and how long is your hair and do you have a lot of it)? I have a lot of hair and it is medium textured.
Why don't you like the Jessicurl HCC? Do you think it is weighing your hair down or not removing all of the Boots?
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
Well there are a couple things I have figured out about my hair since coming to NC.com:
1) It looks better the day after not washing it
2) Silicones are bad for me
3) Too much product obviously weighs my hair down

Therefore, tomorrow I have decided to not use my leave-in (it has cones) or my smoothing milk (also has cones). My day will be wash, condish, mc curl defining lotion (just a little as a leave-in), then boots (less than i used today). I get so nervous that my hair will look horrible that i throw more and more products in without taking out the old ones.

I decided that I wanted to go -cone free, so i ordered samples of Jessicurl HCC and aloeba condish. i wasn't supposed to, b/c I have way too many poos and condishes.

CaliforniaWaves - I love that they are soft too. there is no frizziness either (right now). I will definitely put less in tomorrow. I have a lot of hair, so I never know if enough is enough.
Why don't you like the Jessicurl HCC? Do you think it is weighing your hair down or not removing all of the Boots?
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
Well there are a couple things I have figured out about my hair since coming to NC.com:
1) It looks better the day after not washing it
2) Silicones are bad for me
3) Too much product obviously weighs my hair down

Therefore, tomorrow I have decided to not use my leave-in (it has cones) or my smoothing milk (also has cones). My day will be wash, condish, mc curl defining lotion (just a little as a leave-in), then boots (less than i used today). I get so nervous that my hair will look horrible that i throw more and more products in without taking out the old ones.

I decided that I wanted to go -cone free, so i ordered samples of Jessicurl HCC and aloeba condish. i wasn't supposed to, b/c I have way too many poos and condishes.

CaliforniaWaves - I love that they are soft too. there is no frizziness either (right now). I will definitely put less in tomorrow. I have a lot of hair, so I never know if enough is enough.
Why don't you like the Jessicurl HCC? Do you think it is weighing your hair down or not removing all of the Boots?
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
sorry about the insane amount of posts...something is going on today with this site or my computer
Type 2C/3A, Medium texture and I have a ton of it, long hair, brunette, flat crown.
Modified CG'er since August 2004
California-So you sort of finger combe it in? or do you just smooth it on the top layer and then scrunch? Sorry to be confusing I know I've asked you this before but is our hair similar? Mine is fine and does get weighed down pretty easily.

Chirsnj-Do you mean that your hair looks better the 2nd day or do you just skip shampooing but still style on the 2nd day? That's funny, you try new products but *add* them to your old

Chelle

p.s. It's not just you, my posts are taking about 3 minutes to go through.....
2a?, using MOP C system hydrating poo, Elucence conditioner, B&A Biomineral gel......off and on results....rely most on my curling iron for help

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