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Old 07-20-2005, 11:49 AM   #1
 
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I'm fairly new to this notion of letting my hair be curly most of the time. I've read Curly Girl, but since so many products have come out since, I am a bit confused. Does using HCC or NoPoo count as the shampoo that you would do only once a week, or are they for more frequent use while using a more detergent-based shampoo once a week.

The gels, no 'cones (or few 'cones) information I get. It's just confusion over the shampoos really.

As with most folks here, the goal is to define the curls and tone down the frizz without being crunchy or wet looking.

Would like any input you guys have on how you wash/condition.

For reference, my hair is 2b on top and sides with 3a underneath.
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:18 PM   #2
 
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the no poo as I understand it is your cleaning. I use a non sulfate shampoo (avalon organics nourishing shampoo) becuase my hair gets weighed down when I don't wash it.

I think the CG routines work best for those with drier hair, however, it is good to try some stuff out.

I find for wavies, we have a wider variety of issues and need to experiment.

I hope that helps.
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So how often do you use your shampoo then -- only once a week, or is that once a week reserved for SLS shampoos?



My hair is dry. My scalp is normal, I guess. Not dry enough to itch. Not oily enough to be noticeable. If I'm going without washing (via the ponytail method), I don't notice it being oily until day three. That seems normal to dry to me, but eh, I don't really know. Never really tried to enhance my natural wave before. So it never occurred to me before now to think about it, other than whether it looked healthy.
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:44 PM   #4
 
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Well, my hair is not dry so I may not be able to give you the advice you need. In fact my hair needs a cleaning often (my hair and scalp) but if you want to try following CG, I would start by trying the book's instructions. I think she says to only "wash" your scalp and to do it every few days or less.

You can cleanse your scalp but I would carefully protect the hair if you can by using condish. Good Luck and see what others who have hair like yours do.
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:58 PM   #5
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annemj - your hair sounds like mine in the dryness category. I only wash with a poo once or twice a week depending on how my hair feels. I also do an ACV rinse once a week and a clarifying shampoo once a month to remove hard water.

My poos are Jessicurl HCC, no poo, low poo or Cream of Nature

On the other days I will wash my scalp/hair with conditioner. I like Suave Milk & Honey or VO5 Moisture Milk line. I also mix in some essential Oils to help balance my scalp & for hair growth. I am not sure yet if those help, but, it is worth a shot
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Wavy hair is not like curly hair in relation to the dryness. Even if your hair is dry, it is imperative that you claense your hair & scalp thoroughly, often. You can run into more problems NOT washing than washing. Like, clogged scalp pores, excessive sebum bild up. also, environmental pollutants stick to hair, if you don't cleanse it, that garbage is just siting on yout hair. as long as you are using a gentle shampoo (like the HCC, or low poo, or sap moss, etc & condition your hair ends for moisture, you sould do great. also, there is nothing inherently "wrong" with sls, especially sodium laureth sulfate, but they can be too harsh to use frequently , ESPECIALLY for a curly with already dry hair. Of course, if you DO have a dryness problem, even if your hair is straight, you can still have dry scalp. you might want to uses sls free shampoo all the time.
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Old 07-21-2005, 07:30 AM   #7
 
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Thanks guys. I think I may try to go for one or two days between washings and when I do wash, wash with HCC or NoPoo and see how that goes. If it looks like my hair is getting too funky or weighted down between washings, I will adjust as needed.

As I mentioned in another thread, my hair has already started showing more definition, and some curls that had disappeared over the past few years have started to return.

I'll keep you guys posted on the transformation. I'm hoping to see a few more curls and more importantly, curls that hang around throughout the day.
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I'll be curious to hear your report - I've done the CG thing for 3 days now and my hair looked quite good the first day, but now seems to be getting weighed down too much. I normally use a no poo type shampoo anyway (Giovanni 50/50), but I think the conditioner is too much for me (Giovanni Smooth as Silk). I'm going to give a different conditioner a try, but I also may just do one day CW, one day No Poo wash.
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Old 07-26-2005, 04:56 AM   #9
 
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I'm a 2b wavy and I usually was about every 3 days in the summer, I can go a little longer (up to 5) in the winter.

I think you'll notice a huge difference just by switching from washing with SLS shampoo to using HCC, No or Low Poo. These are what I use for washing and I'll sometimes do a conditioner wash with Suave Coconut too.

eta: I wet my hair sometimes everyday if it's frizzy and it's humid out, or every other day in the summer. I still condition the length of my hair every time I wet it.
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Old 07-26-2005, 07:30 AM   #10
 
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Well it's definitely not weighed down yet, and in fact, the curls are still pooping out mid day after being cute and perky in the morning.

So last night after reading the board and how it's likely the curls need more moisture if they aren't holding up through the day, when I got home from work last night at 8:30 *coughcoughcomplaincomplain* I wet my hair down with a spray bottle, which usually helps a little but not a ton. And then I added a decent portion -- probably a tablespoon -- of watered down leave-in conditioner. The curls perked right back up. Go figure.

I have been switching back and forth with No Poo and HCC every other day, but I am going to go a few days with just No Poo and see if that helps. I also added a leave in conditioner to my morning routine. I'm doing my roots (with Robert Craig) on Thursday night and will have to wash with regular poo Thursday morning with no product Thursday to do that, and I think trying this for a few days may give me a good idea of where it's going.

Here's the current hair schedule:

No Poo or HCC (and switching to mostly No Poo for a while)
Diluted Honey (do not rinse)
Aloeba
Rinse
Giovani Leave-In
Re: Coil
Angell

I am not loving the Angell though. I guess I am using too much, since I keep getting the crunchies. Perhaps I should combine the leave-in conditioner and gel into the same steps to keep me from putting on too much Angell. We'll see.
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Poor dancingbadger. I decided to go ahead and post due to her sadness.

Yesterday's worked out well. The curl held up pretty well all day. After my hair dried completely, as I said, it was crunchy. So I scrunched out the crunch, and it didn't get frizzy, and then it managed to hold up well.

Today, I followed the same routine, except that instead of mixing the Re: Coil with the leave-in, I mixed the Angell and leave-in. It still turned out crunchy and isn't lasting as long. So that's not the way to go. The experiment continues.

I think tomorrow, I will try Re: Coil mixed with the leave in and not add Angell before plopping. Once I am through plopping, I will spray in some Gelebration or Rockin' Ringlets (whichever one is the spray version). I have one of those trial packs for an upcoming trip and can try that to see how that goes.

Will continue to keep you lovely ladies posted.

By the way, day three of No Poo instead of any other type of conditioner, and my scalp is not oily, and my hair still needs more moisture. Good grief! Who knew my hair was in such awful shape.
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Old 07-28-2005, 07:37 AM   #12
 
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I guess I really do need a life! I will have to report on my new products too. I should not have complained and just posted myself!

Ah well. Yes, the experimenting continues.........
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Now, now. Don't be hard on yourself.

I've decided to wait until I get back from vacation to color again. My roots are pretty short, and there hasn't been much fading, and it isn't really necessary yet. I may chicken out before I leave and do it, but I have no plans to do so right now.

So I did the NoPoo again this morning. This time I plopped with just Re: Coil and leave-in and then patted on some Angell at the end. The Gelebration spray sample really needs to be put in your hands, and the whole point of spraying seems lost. Still crunchy. Still had to be uncrunched after drying. *sigh* I will eventually get this down.
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I just got my Devacurl products in the mail - I already had Angell, but now have the No Poo, Low Poo, and One Conditioner. I'm not entirely certain what I'm going to do with it, but my first thought would be:

No Poo normally
Low Poo 1-2x/week
One Conditioner on Low Poo days and others as needed, rinsing completely.

After shower, Re:coil, plop for 10 minutes or so, then add Angell and partially dry with a diffuser.

The post-shower routine I've described here is a little different than what I've been doing - I am currently still getting frizz (even w/air drying) and my curls aren't lasting throughout the day.

However, doing the CG routine for the past week has exposed more ringlets in the bottom layers of my hair - I just wish the top layers would cooperate as well!
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Old 07-29-2005, 07:48 AM   #15
 
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I've found that No-Poo used alone can be really drying.
I always need to use a conditioner afterwards.
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Old 07-29-2005, 08:57 AM   #16
 
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So I did the NoPoo again this morning. This time I plopped with just Re: Coil and leave-in and then patted on some Angell at the end. The Gelebration spray sample really needs to be put in your hands, and the whole point of spraying seems lost. Still crunchy. Still had to be uncrunched after drying. *sigh* I will eventually get this down.
I'm at work kinda running thru threads, so forgive me if I've missed anything . I'm assuming you want a soft hold for your curls? If so, you may want to try Ava's Aussie Combo, otherwise known as Aussie Dual Gel+Water under Aussie Tizz No Frizz. I've got some pics you can look at - a few of the first pics (can't remember if I said what I used). I get a nice hold and what little crunch there is, is easily scrunched out. Another good cheapie is Suave's Firm Hold Gel. It's a knockoff of Biolage Gelee and it gives me soft but good hold. We seem to be hair twins, too, so maybe one of these will work. I'm doing modified CG as I don't mind using a gel with a cone now and again. Garnier Fructis XXL Volume Gel is another favorite of mine that gives a soft hold.

As for how I "wash" .. right now I'm using Suave Humectant to wash. Then I use Elucence mixed with a little VO5 Strawberries and Cream and a little honey. I rinse just a few seconds and leave this mixture as my leave-in. If my scalp gets a little itchy, I mix some Epsom salt in with the Suave. I use an ACV rinse about once a week, then use Sally's knockoff of Joico K-pak for a DT.

Keep us posted on your hair and how it's doing
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Old 08-02-2005, 08:35 AM   #17
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So I did the NoPoo again this morning. This time I plopped with just Re: Coil and leave-in and then patted on some Angell at the end. The Gelebration spray sample really needs to be put in your hands, and the whole point of spraying seems lost. Still crunchy. Still had to be uncrunched after drying. *sigh* I will eventually get this down.
I have been having wonderful results with Re:coil mixed with LLL coco light scrunched in, plopping and then following with Angell or Back to Nature Rosemary Mint Clean Gel (I just tried that for the first time today, but, I love it so far). I always rescrunch my hair after it is dry with a microfiber towel to get any crunch out and it is soft and bouncy afterward. HTH
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Old 08-10-2005, 07:58 AM   #18
 
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I will try Suave to wash, and next time I make an order, I will add the LLL Coco to my purchase.

Nothing much new to report. I tried the Rockin' Ringlets and Confident Coils combo out of my trial pack, and I didn't get quite as good of a result as I do with leave-in conditioner/AR Re:Coil, followed by Angell. I will try the Confident Coils with Gelebration to see if the weight played a role, but I tend to think my hair just likes the Re:Coil and conditioner a lot.

Tonight I am coloring with Robert Craig. So this morning I used the RC shampoo, no conditioner and no product. Parched hair to say the least. One big curly/wavy poofy mess.
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