How to loosen 2B to 2A??

OK. Here's the deal. I've been browsing through these pots and I can see that most of you are very proud of your 2B hair -- and rightly so! Your pictures are super cute! I've written a gigantic post in the "introduce yourself" forum so I won't say too much, but ...

My dilemma is that my mostly 2B hair is ... well ... inconsistent, to say the least. The major problems are frizz and curls that don't "end" correctly -- meaning, they curl up/zig zag/wiggle/etc. instead of falling down straight or tapering at the end. Although other people seem to love my hair, I do not like how thin the strands are or how "small" the curls are (aka small wavelength).

Though I've given up my fixation with straightening, my latest obsession is with 2A hair! Does anyone have any styling tips on how to loosen waves and how to turn tighter curls into bigger, clumpier waves? I hope this question is not sacrilege on a 2B board!!
Don't know if this is what you are looking for, but for looser or straighter curls/waves, after washing in the evening I comb my hair & let air dry somewhat. When my hair is almost dry (still slightly damp) I put my hair in a messy bun with a scrunchy on the top of my head and leave it in until the next morning. Yes, I sleep like this. In the morning, I hang my head upside down, carefully remove the scrunchy (a silky scruchy makes this much easier), shake the roots then flip my head upright. If my hair is still a bit damp, I just leave it alone & let it air dry. Otherwise, if I try and mess with it, it frizzes.

I don't know how long your hair is, but I have Bra Strap Lenght (BSL), so this does a nice job for loose waves.

Another thing you could try is braiding your hair when slightly damp and curl up your ends with one of those twisty curler thingies (can't think of the name, lol) or use maybe rags or small rollers at the ends .... just a thought.

Good luck & let us know what you decide to do & how it works!
Now conditioner-less!!! Botticelli 2c, 2b w/2a waves under canopy. Med-thick-BSL-Dk brown hair w/greys-Currently using: Henna, Ida's All Natural Shampoo Bars & herbal/ACV rinses, Shea, Mango & Cocoa butters, oils & aloe. Fave oils are primrose & jojoba.
Thanks for the suggestions -- I'll have to give the scrunchy method a try. Unfortunately braiding never works for me (I also have BSL hair, btw)

Are there any recommendations for products that help to loosen curl? I was considering trying Phytodefrissant or perhaps something from Redken.

The questionable technique I've been using to loosen my curls is as follows -- brush hair after showering, put in a decent amount of Wired, brush again. Blowdry until 90% dry, then put in a bunch more Wired in sections, brush hair and pull resistant parts so they loosen up, finish drying. This seems like a strange way to accomplish the task, and if I don't use enough Wired, this is just a recipe for hair that is extremely frizzy and looks v. dry. I did this last night, slept on it, and have near perfect 2A waves this morning (albeit limp).
Formerly agk

*All 2s and 3A (hair has been wonky lately)
*Currently enjoying Elucence MBC, Abba Nourishing, Giovanni Vitapro, Abba Gel-Lotion, Redken Spin Control
It is not so much the products as it is the technique. I have found technique is the key to consistent hair regardless of what product I use, although finding a good product helps a lot.

Let me critique your technique and then I will give you some suggestions. This is what I do to get my hair looking like it does in the picture under my name. *i know it is small*

brush hair after showering, put in a decent amount of Wired, brush again.
Don't brush hair. That will just separate the curls and disrupt the curl pattern. Frizz factor in effect.

Blowdry until 90% dry
Do you use a diffuser? What setting is your dryer on?

Then put in a bunch more Wired in sections, brush hair and pull resistant parts so they loosen up, finish drying.
Brushing hair at 90% dry is a receipe for frizzy hair.

My suggestions:

Do not brush hair. That is going to cause frizz. In order to get tangles out, wash and condition your hair. When you are ready to wash out condish, flip head over and while rinsing out hair, wide-tooth comb your hair to ensure all tangles are out. Keep your head flipped over during this WHOLE process.

I am not familiar with Wired. Is it a gel or cream? If it is a gel then... on dripping wet hair , scrunch in your product. Divide your hair into 3 even parts and scrunch in products evenly. As you scrunch in gel, you will be squeezing out extra water. This is good... the "squish" is good. If Wired is a cream, then lightly blot your hair so that drippies are gone. Then scrunch in product following the gel directions.

Dry hair with a diffuser. A diffuser is an attachment that is put on the nozzle of the dryer. It looks like a bowl. Follow the pixiecurl method of drying hair which is below.



here's the method i've found for maximizing curls/volume and minimizing frizz:

flip hair upside down and put hair from front middle section (closest to forehead in the bowl of the diffuser, and hold bowl all the way against scalp so it is "scrunching" your curls for you. THEN i turn the dryer on, pressing the cool shot whenever it gets too hot for my scalp. i then TURN IT OFF before removing the bowl from my scalp. then i go to the front right section and repeat, then front left, then flip right side up and get the underside, then flip back upside down and get anywhere i missed. i don't diffuse until 100% dry, and it doesn't look quite right until it's finished airdrying all the way and i flip upside down and scrunch again.

the key is only having the blowdryer on when the bowl is against your scalp because this minimizes your hair getting blown around and thus minimizes frizz.

Once hair is 80% dry only then can you flip your head upright. You should have nice big loose curls.

Hope this helps.
agk, have you tried the messy scrunchy bun method yet? How did it work if you did it?

I saw your pics & you have great hair!
Now conditioner-less!!! Botticelli 2c, 2b w/2a waves under canopy. Med-thick-BSL-Dk brown hair w/greys-Currently using: Henna, Ida's All Natural Shampoo Bars & herbal/ACV rinses, Shea, Mango & Cocoa butters, oils & aloe. Fave oils are primrose & jojoba.
babycurlsss: thanks for checking up on me well, i attempted the bun method yesterday but it didn't work so well. the top parts of my curls were indeed stretched out the way i like them, but they were fuzzy and didn't have good definition. somehow, the bottoms of each wave were tight ringlets. it almost looked like i was growing out a perm, heh. mind you, i don't exactly have the best haircut right now, so that probably has something to do with it. ah well, if at first ....

ava: i'm with you 100% about brushing = frizz hell. but recently i've found that i can brush with minor frizz impact if i slather on rusk wired after my hair has either air dried of diffuse dried to about 80%. i did this sometime last week and had ridiculously soft, stretched out 2A waves -- at least on part of my canopy i usually diffuse with a bowl diffuser on the cool & low setting.

ava, i tried your method with some v. surprising results i did almost exactly what you said step by step -- and got perfect sproingy 3a/b thin curls. yep, what many people *want* and exactly what i'm trying to forget sprouts out of my poor little head!! i think i've learned that diffusing for me = instant thin, separated curls. i'm wondering if i don't get loose curls from this method because my hair is fine, but has tremendous tensile strength. so it's not heavy enough to loosen out to waves and sproings back up easily.

%^@#$%^%&#&^$!! back to the drawing board.
Formerly agk

*All 2s and 3A (hair has been wonky lately)
*Currently enjoying Elucence MBC, Abba Nourishing, Giovanni Vitapro, Abba Gel-Lotion, Redken Spin Control

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