New Wavy/Curly Hair and Need HELP!

My son is almost 2 years old and since having him my hair has gone from straight (type 1) to a little wavy on top getting more wavy (type 2a-b)as you go down to the nape of my neck where it is a more defined curl (type 2c). I had always worn my hair long and straight but recently tried a new shorter (just above the shoulders) naturally wavy style. The prolem I keep having is getting the top to curl as much as the bottom. I tried the climate control gel but it made my hair straighter. I am going to a stylist who knows a lot about naturally curly hair so I think the cut is good. I just need some help on what products would work best and some styling tips. Any recommendations and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
I just noticed this...

After I had my daughter 9 years ago, my hair did the same thing...from a type 1 to a mostly type 2c with some 3a thrown in there.

Maybe your top (the canopy) is dried out. I had this problem at first. The canopy is more exposed to the elements, so it dries out faster than the bottom layers of hair. The way I understand it, the more dried out your hair, the flatter the curl pattern. Getting moisture into your hair will help your hair curl to its potential.

Consider trying modified-CG. It'll get your hair into better condition. Try a couple of deep treatments, and pay special attention to your canopy. Hope this helps, and good luck!

Annie
Modified-CG, 2c, slightly protein-sensitive, color-treated

LA County, SoCal - Cool and some humidity FINALLY
Liking: Suave co-washes, LVPHG, homemade curl cream and DT
Loving: KCKT/KCCC/HESMU, Biolage, K-Pak reconstructor, SheaM

Last edited by annielutz; 08-05-2008 at 03:28 PM. Reason: I had more to say. :)
Thanks! I will have to try that. I think I am going to try going shampoo-less. I just need to figure out what products work best for my hair. I just got the CG book and I need to go get some new products. Are there any products you can recommend? I just checked the ingredients on my shampoo and conditioner....not good...not good at all!
I tried going full-CG, but it didn't work for me after almost three weeks. Now I low-poo with sulfate-free shampoo once every 10 days or so, and co-wash with Suave the rest of the days.

It's hard to say what might work for you - it depends on your hair type (meaning coarse versus fine, thick versus thin, etc.). My hair is thick and both fine and coarse (my head is a confused mess, really). It drinks up whatever I give it, so I can use heavier conditioners that other wavies might not be able to. I'm a big fan of Biolage Conditioning Balm, especially the generic version at Sally, for moisture. I like Kinky-Curly Knot Today and Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose conditioner. I love Shea Moisture as a leave-in. And I do frequent deep treatments overnight. A lot of wavies/curlies really like Jessicurl stuff, but I haven't had much luck with it.

If you do decide to try CG/modified-CG, be sure to clarify first. If you still have cones in your hair, it's important to get them out.

Hope this helps - good luck!

Annie
Modified-CG, 2c, slightly protein-sensitive, color-treated

LA County, SoCal - Cool and some humidity FINALLY
Liking: Suave co-washes, LVPHG, homemade curl cream and DT
Loving: KCKT/KCCC/HESMU, Biolage, K-Pak reconstructor, SheaM
My son is almost 2 years old and since having him my hair has gone from straight (type 1) to a little wavy on top getting more wavy (type 2a-b)as you go down to the nape of my neck where it is a more defined curl (type 2c). I had always worn my hair long and straight but recently tried a new shorter (just above the shoulders) naturally wavy style. The prolem I keep having is getting the top to curl as much as the bottom. I tried the climate control gel but it made my hair straighter. I am going to a stylist who knows a lot about naturally curly hair so I think the cut is good. I just need some help on what products would work best and some styling tips. Any recommendations and/or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Originally Posted by MsEmily
Less the whole having-a-kid thing, this sounds like me 6-7 years ago. I grew up with straight (not stick straight, but straight) hair, and when I was 18-19 years old, it started changing. The transition was horrid, I had hair at the back of my head growing into a very coarse wave, and everything else was fine and straight and impossible to manage. The straight parts wouldn't curl, the wavy parts wouldn't straighten; I had two completely different kinds of hair on my head and no way to make it all look like it was intentional.

It took time, but it ultimately sort of came to an agreement. The back of my head is still more wavy than the sides and front of my hair, but it all melds together better now than ever.

I never cut my hair short to help the wave, I like my hair long and am not really interested in doing a whole grow out process again (I cut it short when I was a kid and HATED it). But I keep it trimmed (or try to), and treat it as nicely as possible and it cooperates with me. I think once I find the courage to 86 sulfates completely it'll help a lot.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
You may want to read up on some of the threads about plopping. There is a video on the Jessicurl web site if the threads here are confusing.

I used to plop but that just didn't work out. Now I apply my products to sopping wet hair and when I get out of the shower I flip my head upside down and just gently push it up towards my scalp with my towel a few times. It works great and I think it may be worth a try for your canopy. I use flat fold baby diapers and they rarely cause frizz. There are a bunch of threads on different towels if interested. Hope that helps.
Mod CG since April of 2007.
Thanks for all of your input. The more information I get the more confused I become so if you could please clarify a couple of things for me I would really appreciate it.

First, I am confused as to what type of curl I have (I think I'm a wavy 2a-b but I have ringlets around the nape of my neck) . Some days it's wavy and other days it will really curl up. I've attached a couple of pictures so you can see what I am talking about. All I used in these pics is gel to style and a reg. shampoo and conditioner. I think I can get more curl by going CG or mod CG. I already only shampoo my hair every 2-3 days so it shouldn't be that hard (I hope). I just need to get the canopy to curl or at least wave. Right now it is almost stick straight! I was thinking about trying Jessicurl but am not wanting to spend a whole lot of money (I may get some trials to try). But if anyone could recommend a good shampoo and conditioner that would be a place to start.

Also, I know everyone says I need to clarify before doing anything else but how exactly do you "clarify"? Is it just a matter of shampooing your hair with the right shampoo or is their a concoction I need to make? I know I have cones built-up in my hair but how to you remove them?

As far as plopping I think my hair is way too short for that (now that I hacked it all off). I like the idea of trying the baby diapers (since I already have them).

And finally, what is CK??? I keep reading about it but have no idea what it stands for! Ugghhh...I will be so happy when I get all this!

Sorry if I sound a little frustrated! This is somewhat overwhelming but I am going to give it a try. I just need some direction. Again, thanks for all of your help with this!
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Getting started IS overwhelming and frequently frustrating, so don't worry! We've all been there to some degree. I'll try to answer your questions.

From what I can tell, you're a 2b/c, possibly leaning toward 2c. I think going CG or modified CG with probably help with your canopy issues, which are likely caused by the sulfates in your regular shampoo.

The simplest, most straightforward way to clarify is to break the rules: use a hardcore sulfate shampoo and give your hair hell. I used to use Tresemme clarifying shampoo on a regular basis, and it makes an excellent getting-started clarifyer. The idea of using it more than once every six months or so now horrifies me, but I've got it. It's ridiculously inexpensive, but only comes in giant bottles, so perhaps someone else can recommend an inexpensive clarifying shampoo that you can get a smaller amount of. The sulfates in the shampoo are the only way to get the 'cones out of your hair. Once they're gone, don't go back to 'cone products and you shouldn't really need sulfates anymore.

So far as plopping, I think if you scrunched water out of your hair with a t-shirt it would give you the same basic result as plopping. I do both, but my hair is a lot longer than yours right now. Put product in, scrunch with t-shirt, repeat.

And CK... do you mean CG? That's for Curly Girl, which is the book that most people here base their routines on.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
And finally, what is CK???
Originally Posted by MsEmily

You might be referring to Curl Keeper, available in Curl Mart:

http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-S...eper-p-28.html
And finally, what is CK???
Originally Posted by MsEmily

You might be referring to Curl Keeper, available in Curl Mart:

http://www.curlmart.com/Curly-Hair-S...eper-p-28.html
Originally Posted by curlieica

MUCH better answer than mine. LOL
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
I think you should grow out some of those layers. I also don't think you're a 2C your hair looks a little finer more like 2B it probably will straighten without a lot of effort?? If you read the CG book by Lorraine Massey you'll see that sometimes your hair has to get past your shoulders b4 you see a nice wave pattern. If the S gets cut too short you'll end up with a C and that's OK if you're not trying to make the most of your waves! I hope you find a good stylist that understands curly/wavy hair. It is very frustrating at first, I'm still trying out new products and experimenting (after 1yr) to find what works best for me. I've been using AG Recoil but I don't find it works that great in the Humidity so now I'm waiting for Curl Keeper and will probably end up using a bit of both!!! Keep experimenting you'll get it eventually!
Thanks MichelleBFT, Curlieica and everyone else helping me with this stuff. I really do appreciate all of your feedback.

MichelleBFT, what products do you use? You have similiar hair to mine (just much longer) and I need to get some new products, just not sure where to begin. I am tempted to start off with the more expensive brands but would like to ease into things with products a little bit less expensive until I get this CG thing down.

I am going to try to get something this weekend so I can officially start this new CG program Sunday.

Oh, one more twist. I am 6 weeks pregnant and hoping that this pregnancy will bring me even more defined curls

Thanks Again!
Emily

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