Newbie with 2a - Advice please!

Hi, all!
Been a long time reader of nc.com, and a long-time curl fighter. I've even gone as far as having the ionic straightening done twice, simply because I got tired of frizz-fighting. Turns out my "frizz" was actually "waves".
Looking through the site, it seems as though I'm somewhere between a 2a/2b. My hair is more wavy than curly, and especially in the front and top layers. The bottom and back layers are more resistant to any sort of curl encouragement.
Here's the most recent pictures of my sadly stringy, frizzy hair...pardon the crappy lighting/angles.




Any products that y'all can suggest? I've been trialing John Frieda's Curl Care shampoo and conditioner, as well as DevaCurl AnGell, B'Leave In, and Mist-er Right. Are any products better than others for type 2as? Any tips to help encourage curls? I've never tried "plopping", so I'm going to give that a go.

I'd appreciate any help you can offer! I'm tired of having bad hair days, and tired of having to pull my hair back in a clip.

Thanks!
Welcome! Your hair is very pretty! I think you look 2B than 2A, but I'm no expert.

Do you want to go CG? That means giving up silicones and sulfates. I think the John Frieda products you are using probably have both. The sulfates will be in the shampoo. Silicones can be in the shampoo and/or conditioner. You can identify them as ingredients that end in "cone" or "xane."

The Deva products are good, but if you don't feel they are giving you your best hair, you may need to experiment a bit. There are some great products on this site at Curlmart. The Kinky-Curly products are great. Don't be scared of the 16-ounce contained of Curling Custard. If you hate it, it is a hot item on the swap board. Jessicurl products are also good to try because you can buy a trial pack.

If you want things you can buy locally, Suave conditioners are CG-friendly. Some styling products that are popular here are Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee (Target, CVS, Wal-Greens), Loreal Out of Bed, and Biotera Curl Cream and Biotera gel (very inexpensive at Sally's). Unfortunately, there is no way to say what will work best for you. The only way to find out is to try.

I know it's overwhelming, but there is a wealth of information on this site if you search around. People are very helpful too, so feel free to ask questions. Sorry for the novel!
Loose botticelli curls and waves
No silicones/no sulfates since March 2008
I just started CG this week and this is what I have done so far. I used a clarifying shampoo, Suave Naturals Clarifying to get out all the 'cones. You have to use a shampoo that has a sulfate in order to get the cones out, but then after that you don't need the sulfate shampoo because hopefully you won't be putting any more 'cones in your hair. (Does that make sense?)

After clarifying, I used the Suave Naturals Coconut conditioner all over my head. Then, I turned the water to cool and rinsed the conditioner out, but not all the way, like 80% out.

I bought Herbal Essences Totally Twisted gel, and right when I was done with my shower I put the gel in my sopping wet hair while still in the shower by flipping my head upside down and scrunching the gel in.

Then I got out of the shower and scrunched my hair dry with a microfiber towel which works so much better than a regular towel. I have heard that you can also use paper towels if you don't have a microfiber towel. Then I just let my hair air dry and it turned out ok for a first-timer.
Hopefully that gives you a starting point. Sorry it was so long.
Good Luck!
2b/c Hair
Have no clue what to do with it
Welcome! Your hair is very pretty! I think you look 2B than 2A, but I'm no expert.

Do you want to go CG? That means giving up silicones and sulfates. I think the John Frieda products you are using probably have both. The sulfates will be in the shampoo. Silicones can be in the shampoo and/or conditioner. You can identify them as ingredients that end in "cone" or "xane."

The Deva products are good, but if you don't feel they are giving you your best hair, you may need to experiment a bit. There are some great products on this site at Curlmart. The Kinky-Curly products are great. Don't be scared of the 16-ounce contained of Curling Custard. If you hate it, it is a hot item on the swap board. Jessicurl products are also good to try because you can buy a trial pack.

If you want things you can buy locally, Suave conditioners are CG-friendly. Some styling products that are popular here are Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee (Target, CVS, Wal-Greens), Loreal Out of Bed, and Biotera Curl Cream and Biotera gel (very inexpensive at Sally's). Unfortunately, there is no way to say what will work best for you. The only way to find out is to try.

I know it's overwhelming, but there is a wealth of information on this site if you search around. People are very helpful too, so feel free to ask questions. Sorry for the novel!
Originally Posted by LoloDSM
I agree with Lolodsm I would get off of the John Frieda stuff or double check about the "ones" but pretty sure they use dimethicone I used to use their products pre-CG. Also, try washing with Conditoner only get off of the shampoo altogether and use it sparingly on occasion if needed to get product out. My hair is a lot thicker than yours but I struggle with frizz and I've used the whole Deva line but the Gel just didn't work long term it was too heavy and didn't de-frizz. I really think it's more for curly hair that's dry not wavies like us. I'm waiting for CK to arrive it's supposed to solve my frizzies, I'll post and let everyone know my personal results because there are mixed opinions on CK. I don't think your hair looks sad in my opinion! It doesn't look unhealthy you just need to find something to help you define your curl that's all Also, if you don't want to invest in a microfiber towel a T-Shirt is just fine!

For the time being until you find your miracle product, (swap board is great) Co-wash, use B-Leave in ( 1t or so?)while hair is Sopping Wet, then scrunch in Gel (size of quarter? or a little more you'll know) while hair is sopping wet. Plop carefully with your T-Shirt use your clips on the crown and DON'T TOUCH! I assume you have the Curly Gurl Handbook by Lorraine Massey????
Discovered CG 2007

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I think your hair is very pretty. The layers seem to accent your waves well.

What's your goal for your hair? More curl, more wave, more even distribution of both/either? Are you able to get access to a curly cut specialist?

Alagio Crazy Curling Balm or Mop-C Creme might work for you. Does your hair do well with gel or creme? Miss Jessie has some good products too.

Beware of Microfiber towels if you're prone to frizz.
I think your hair is very pretty. The layers seem to accent your waves well.

What's your goal for your hair? More curl, more wave, more even distribution of both/either? Are you able to get access to a curly cut specialist?

Alagio Crazy Curling Balm or Mop-C Creme might work for you. Does your hair do well with gel or creme? Miss Jessie has some good products too.

Beware of Microfiber towels if you're prone to frizz.
Originally Posted by ninja dog
I'm so glad you mentioned the connection between "frizz" and "micro-towels" I thought it was my imagination! I don't use the micro towel anymore cuz that was my suspicion but everyone raved about them so I thought I was crazy! T-Shirt does it for me!
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Thanks everyone so much for all of your help so far! I'm trying some different products, and so far have definitely found some I need to throw out, and others I just need to get a better hang of. I'm going to order a trial of the Jessicurl, and give that a try. I've been attempting "plopping" - with a tshirt of my husband's (he's thrilled).
As far as what I want to achieve...I want to be presentable when I go out of the house. Ha! Umm...more definition, I guess. More of an *even* look. I hate the fact that the bottom layer of my hair hardly curls at all, just sort of fuzzes, and the front top layer gets the most stringy, noodles-ramen type curls...
It makes me crazy that I can't get it all to look better - more clumpy, less like little strings.

Still working away over here...
Wavy/2B - Protein sensitive...(I think) - almost 2c!
Attempting CG as of 8/09
Co-wash - VO5 Cucumber/Kiwi, GTTT
Condish - Mop Mixed Greens
Stylers - JCRR, CCSS, BRHG
Trying to figure out - CJ CCCC, AG: Recoil, FSG, and KCCC.
Want to try - KBB


You're lucky! You're hair looks easy to care for, but if it's really not, you shouldn't have layers. You should also grow your hair out longer for the waves to be looser.
Welcome! Your hair is very pretty! I think you look 2B than 2A, but I'm no expert.
Originally Posted by LoloDSM
I agree.

You look 2b to me too.
Okay, so I went and got a hair cut today, with a few layers cut in to help the bottom layer curl. It's the same girl I've been going to for ten years, she's good with straight and curly, and she knows that I'm going back to wearing it wavy/curly. I also stopped at Borders on the way and picked up the Curly Girl book. I ordered some JessiCurl products, and will be anxiously awaiting their arrival.
Had a really good hair day yesterday and couldn't duplicate the results again for the life of me. Got tons of compliments from my co-workers (esp. the males), and further reaffirmed my decision to go curly.
Keeping my fingers crossed! I've got the weekend off, so I can practice. Ha!
Wavy/2B - Protein sensitive...(I think) - almost 2c!
Attempting CG as of 8/09
Co-wash - VO5 Cucumber/Kiwi, GTTT
Condish - Mop Mixed Greens
Stylers - JCRR, CCSS, BRHG
Trying to figure out - CJ CCCC, AG: Recoil, FSG, and KCCC.
Want to try - KBB


I'd say more 2b .. your hair looks similar to my daughters. Now she is only 9, so her hair hasn't had the chemical exposure that you've had ... but ... for what its worth, here are some of the things that work really well on her hair.

Leave-ins: Jane Carter Solution Revitalizing Leave-in, Oyin's Honey & Hemp leave-in. If it is REALLY dry (swims alot), I'll use Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner as a rinse out and a leave-in.

I find her hair responds really well to mousse. AG Gel Mousse, Loma Curly Hair Mousse, Ouidad's Playcurl Mousse are some that have worked really well for her. I'll sometimes scrunch in a little of Paul Brown Goo as her hair is drying to give it a little more hold.

HTH ... I would also suggest paying close attention to Msgiblet's posts. Her hair and my daughter's hair respond the same to many products. Her posts will probably be very helpful to you.
Type: 3a fine & dense,with normal porosity, terrible product junkie
ROUTINE: LI, enhancer, gel, plop with Curlease towel, serum product (either CIAB or Gel-les'c), clip & diffuse.
Too many favourite products to list ... I finally have my routine that works and alot of products to choose from. My product stash is huge, but well loved !!!

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