2a(?) in need of HELP!

I'm not exactly a newbie when it comes to trying to embrace my curls. I have been trying to do it for years now. But I'm so angry at my hair I'm *this* close to getting a wig. I don't understand.

My doesn't seem to want to decide whether or not it is curly or straight. It's right in the middle, not curly not straight. I have the worst curly hair in the world.

About A month and a half ago, I cut about a third off my hair because my stylist said that it would bring out my curls. Pssst. It made my hair STRAIGHTER! I've never heard of this before! Usually, curly hair gets curlier when its shorter. This is driving me nuts!

So, finally ladies (and gents!) I need some advice. ANY advice you have to offer would be helpful. I don't care what it is, I'm at a loss. Just give me all you've got. How can I get my hair to look...nicer? I don't know. I want wavy/curly hair and not hair that just looks like I haven't brushed it in years.

And finally, heres a picture of my hair. I sharpened it so you could see the awful texture better.



UGH!
Well, let's start with your routine. What tools and products do you use?
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
First, I wash/condition my hair. Usually just shampoo the roots because I know shampoo is bad for your hair but mine gets serious buildup and greasy if I don't shampoo my roots. Leave the conditioner in for a good bit, maybe 3 or 4 minutes. My shampoo and conditioner varies because I haven't found any that works well. I used to use Aussie moist but the smell gets to me. The product is ok though.

I have to wash my hair at night cause it take hours to dry and now that I have school I just don't have that much time. I have tried blow drying with a diffuser and I end up with a great big ball of frizz.

My hair works best if I let it air dry in the morning, but I just can't do that. I don't have time. I've tried putting my hair up in a bun at night, but my hair isn't dry by the next day and the wave pattern is...awkward.

Last night I tried "plopping". the shirt/turban didn't stay on my head all night. The picture is how my hair turned out.

I don't explain things too well :[
I'm not exactly a newbie when it comes to trying to embrace my curls. I have been trying to do it for years now. But I'm so angry at my hair I'm *this* close to getting a wig. I don't understand.

My doesn't seem to want to decide whether or not it is curly or straight. It's right in the middle, not curly not straight. I have the worst curly hair in the world.

About A month and a half ago, I cut about a third off my hair because my stylist said that it would bring out my curls. Pssst. It made my hair STRAIGHTER! I've never heard of this before! Usually, curly hair gets curlier when its shorter. This is driving me nuts!

So, finally ladies (and gents!) I need some advice. ANY advice you have to offer would be helpful. I don't care what it is, I'm at a loss. Just give me all you've got. How can I get my hair to look...nicer? I don't know. I want wavy/curly hair and not hair that just looks like I haven't brushed it in years.

And finally, heres a picture of my hair. I sharpened it so you could see the awful texture better.



UGH!
Originally Posted by pinkchicken90
I think we need a little more info on styling products as well, to get to the bottom of this wavy pattern. What are you using gel, mousses, stuff with silicone or bad alchohols? A degunk might be in order for you! You can coat your hair with some conditioner and run the degunking shampoo (I like herbal essence cheap and works well) all through your hair let it sit, then condition as you normally would. Applying gel to sopping wet hair is helpful too then plopp, clip, or diffuse a bit at the end to speed up the drying time.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
My first idea is that the reason your hair gets greasy at the roots (something I'm personally familiar with, trust me!!) is because you're using products that have silicones in them. These products build up on the shaft of your hair, making it impossible for the natural oils in your hair to penetrate and instead sitting on the outside of your hair. That makes it look greasy, instead of healthy, as it should. So check the labels on everything you put in your hair for ingredients that end in "-cone" or "-xane". Stop using those products.

Another reason you're having to use shampoo every time you wash your hair is that those 'cones and 'xanes can only be removed from your hair with a shampoo that has a detergent in it, so that it can dissolve that buildup. Once you stop using the products that cause buildup, you can stop using harsh shampoos.

I stopped using these ingredients about two months ago, and my hair is completely different than it's ever been. I used to be very anti-product, preferring to wash, condition, comb and go. But my hair was pouffy and my wave pattern was very blah. It took some time, and a few instances of my hair looking weird, to figure out how to make my hair happy.

My recommendation at this point would be to take a good hard look at the ingredient labels of your products and stop using anything that has a 'cone or 'xane in it. Once you've set all that aside, you probably won't have much left. Give your hair one last detergent cleaning, using a shampoo with a sulfate in it (I like Tresemme Deep Cleaning) one last time, to get all the crud out of your hair, and start fresh.

You can still shampoo every day. I mostly do. I use a shampoo that isn't as harsh as most shampoos, because it doesn't contain a stripping sulfate.

My recommendations for products to try are pretty much all in my sig. All of those products are sulfate, 'cone and 'xane free.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
I'm not exactly a newbie when it comes to trying to embrace my curls. I have been trying to do it for years now. But I'm so angry at my hair I'm *this* close to getting a wig. I don't understand.

My doesn't seem to want to decide whether or not it is curly or straight. It's right in the middle, not curly not straight. I have the worst curly hair in the world.

About A month and a half ago, I cut about a third off my hair because my stylist said that it would bring out my curls. Pssst. It made my hair STRAIGHTER! I've never heard of this before! Usually, curly hair gets curlier when its shorter. This is driving me nuts!

So, finally ladies (and gents!) I need some advice. ANY advice you have to offer would be helpful. I don't care what it is, I'm at a loss. Just give me all you've got. How can I get my hair to look...nicer? I don't know. I want wavy/curly hair and not hair that just looks like I haven't brushed it in years.

And finally, heres a picture of my hair. I sharpened it so you could see the awful texture better.



UGH!
Originally Posted by pinkchicken90
I think we need a little more info on styling products as well, to get to the bottom of this wavy pattern. What are you using gel, mousses, stuff with silicone or bad alchohols? A degunk might be in order for you! You can coat your hair with some conditioner and run the degunking shampoo (I like herbal essence cheap and works well) all through your hair let it sit, then condition as you normally would. Applying gel to sopping wet hair is helpful too then plopp, clip, or diffuse a bit at the end to speed up the drying time.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
BTW- cutting it shorter will not necessarily bring out the "curl" in wavy girls or loose curled girls. Chin length layers work best. I can't tell in the pic if your hair is layered?
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I'm not exactly a newbie when it comes to trying to embrace my curls. I have been trying to do it for years now. But I'm so angry at my hair I'm *this* close to getting a wig. I don't understand.

My doesn't seem to want to decide whether or not it is curly or straight. It's right in the middle, not curly not straight. I have the worst curly hair in the world.

About A month and a half ago, I cut about a third off my hair because my stylist said that it would bring out my curls. Pssst. It made my hair STRAIGHTER! I've never heard of this before! Usually, curly hair gets curlier when its shorter. This is driving me nuts!

So, finally ladies (and gents!) I need some advice. ANY advice you have to offer would be helpful. I don't care what it is, I'm at a loss. Just give me all you've got. How can I get my hair to look...nicer? I don't know. I want wavy/curly hair and not hair that just looks like I haven't brushed it in years.

And finally, heres a picture of my hair. I sharpened it so you could see the awful texture better.



UGH!
Originally Posted by pinkchicken90
I think we need a little more info on styling products as well, to get to the bottom of this wavy pattern. What are you using gel, mousses, stuff with silicone or bad alchohols? A degunk might be in order for you! You can coat your hair with some conditioner and run the degunking shampoo (I like herbal essence cheap and works well) all through your hair let it sit, then condition as you normally would. Applying gel to sopping wet hair is helpful too then plopp, clip, or diffuse a bit at the end to speed up the drying time.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
BTW- cutting it shorter will not necessarily bring out the "curl" in wavy girls or loose curled girls. Chin length layers work best. I can't tell in the pic if your hair is layered?
Originally Posted by DEL2C
ITA ... my hair is much curlier when longer and with long (a least chin length) layers.

I have nothing to add you've been given some great advice already.
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Current Experiment: S&C by D

Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs


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PW: wavycurly

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Thanks so much guys for the quick responces. Yes, my hair is layered. And it definitely gets greasy at the roots if I don't shampoo. I tried the cowash thing about a year ago,and I only made it abouta week before my hair looked and felt gross.
Thanks so much guys for the quick responces. Yes, my hair is layered. And it definitely gets greasy at the roots if I don't shampoo. I tried the cowash thing about a year ago,and I only made it abouta week before my hair looked and felt gross.
Originally Posted by pinkchicken90

If you're thinking of trying again, you should know that it can take a few weeks (sometimes as long as 6) for your hair to adjust especially if you've been a frequent user of silicone products and sulphate shampoos. That said, a lot of wavies continue to low poo on CG.
Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
Current Experiment: S&C by D

Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs


Sulphate and cone free since July 2007

wavy/curly fine texture/medium porosity/medium-low density

http://public.fotki.com/whatsercurl/

PW: wavycurly

Seek not to change the world. Rather seek to change your mind about the world.
Thanks so much guys for the quick responces. Yes, my hair is layered. And it definitely gets greasy at the roots if I don't shampoo. I tried the cowash thing about a year ago,and I only made it abouta week before my hair looked and felt gross.
Originally Posted by pinkchicken90
I've found I can't totally ditch shampoo. Try as I might. I continue to low-poo on a very regular basis.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
I was thinking of sampling some jessicurl products, esp. the low lather shampoo. I was also thinking of trying curl keeper, because sometimes my hair does decide to curl so I know its possible. Plus I have frizz. Any product suggestions?

Also, any wavies plop (I think thats what it is called) at night? I have no time to wash my hair in the morning so I need to adjust my routine.
I'm a plopper, she's a plopper, he's a plopper, we're all ploppers, wouldn't you like to be a plopper too!

If that doesn't make me show my age ... LOL
Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
Current Experiment: S&C by D

Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs


Sulphate and cone free since July 2007

wavy/curly fine texture/medium porosity/medium-low density

http://public.fotki.com/whatsercurl/

PW: wavycurly

Seek not to change the world. Rather seek to change your mind about the world.
Whatsercurl, do you plop at night? If you do, how do you keep the cloth on while you sleep? Do you use a tshirt or microfiber. This all so overwhelming, so many options! lol

Thanks a lot ladies for taking the time to help clueless lil me. lol
I don't plop overnight. I've tried but I flop around too much and I frizz after a short period.

I'm actually plopping right now. *heh*

I normally use a long-sleeved tee but boticellibabe and others have been touting the virtues of a flour sack towel so I'm trying that today.

Plopping is pretty personal - just like the rest of our routines and product usage. I can't plop longer than 10 min or I get frizz. Others can plop overnight or for hours during the day. It takes some experimentation to figure out which is right for you.
Current Products: CJ Products: CF, DF, CT, SG, AFG, CIAB AND CK is back!
Current Experiment: S&C by D

Curl Fix and Daily Fix are my HGs


Sulphate and cone free since July 2007

wavy/curly fine texture/medium porosity/medium-low density

http://public.fotki.com/whatsercurl/

PW: wavycurly

Seek not to change the world. Rather seek to change your mind about the world.
I was thinking of sampling some jessicurl products, esp. the low lather shampoo. I was also thinking of trying curl keeper, because sometimes my hair does decide to curl so I know its possible. Plus I have frizz. Any product suggestions?

Also, any wavies plop (I think thats what it is called) at night? I have no time to wash my hair in the morning so I need to adjust my routine.
Originally Posted by pinkchicken90
I'm still experimenting with it, but I've seen good reduction in frizz in the last couple of days since I've been using Curl Keeper. I can't really recommend it yet, because it's new to my routine, but so far so good.
"And politically correct is the worst term, not just because it’s dismissive, but because it narrows down the whole social justice spectrum to this idea that it’s about being polite instead of about dismantling the oppressive social structure of power.
Fun Fact: When you actively avoid being “PC,” you’re not being forward-thinking or unique. You’re buying into systems of oppression that have existed since before you were even born, and you’re keeping those systems in place."
Stolen.
I'm a plopper too and still experimenting with the time, I think 20mins is my max I tried the 1/2 hr plop and it didn't work as well for me. I tried JC low suds shampoo or whatever it's called and truthfully I think you can find something a lot less expensive that will still work for you, I won't buy it again not really worth it. I had good luck with Trader Joes Castille soap with peppermint and olive oils plus aloe vera it's like $4. I'm not sure if other castille soaps have the added oils mixed in. I still coat with conditioner first when I do use it and it's probably once ever 2wks or once a week sometimes, it depends if my hair feels icky or not. I think you should give CK a try too but you'll probably still need some kind of gel over it.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I have a really gross-o oily scalp, and have had great luck since switching to baking soda. Even in the summer heat, I can get a full two days out of my hair, and sometimes a third. I just make it into a paste and scrub my scalp, then follow with a dilute acv rinse on just my ends. The best part is that it's ridiculously inexpensive!
Thanks guys for the tips. I will def give curl keeper a try. I was also thinking picking up a bottle of bronner's magic soap while I am target next time and see if that works before I invest in something more expensive.

My thing with baking soda is that when I use it, it's really hard to get completely out of my hair. After I get out of the shower, I can still feel it in my scalp. Yuck.
Edited due to a cyberstalker. Sorry, guys.

Last edited by Koukla72; 02-13-2009 at 04:18 AM.
Sorry for a stupid question but..can you plop if you have short hair. I hear alot about pineappling too but my hair is only chin length still. Day 4 of CG!(modified).Pinkchicken I can so relate, my hair is very temperamental too!

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