Frustrated As Can Be - Stylist Finding

I'm trying to find a new stylist in Chicago.

Now, I'm to blame for torturing my hair with heat products and straightironing for 20 years, but the stylists didn't help. Nearly every single stylist I've seen in the last ten years has said "Oh, what lovely thick wavy hair!" and reached for her flatiron and her thinning shears. I don't know - is it something they teach in stylist school?
So I have an appointment this coming Wednesday before a cut with a new stylist - I just need the back trimmed up to the hairline, so the rest of the hair can grow down to meet it, and then I'll wait forever and ever for the "thinned" pieces to make it down. So it's an easy cut.
Now that I"ve read the CG book, apparently wet-cutting isn't a good idea for curly OR wavy hair. And every single hair cut I've gotten in the last ten years was a wet cut - which was then blowdried and straightironed, because (I think) the stylist didn't realize I had wavy hair, or assumed I wanted straight hair, or the haircut I'd showed her that I liked was of straight hair. Do I go in to this stylist and add "dry cut" to the rest of my list, which involves no thinning, no razoring, and no heat styling, and as little product as possible?
Remember that I've only just gotten CG, so I'm still figuring things out, and that I'm not necessarily a Curly Girl - I'm a Wavy Girl, and that's different. Still, looking for a stylist who doesn't want to thin the thickness and straighten the waves seems to be difficult. I called three salons today and told them what I was looking for. All three salons assured me that everyone with wavy hair looks better with straight hair, and that thinning shears are standard for people with thick hair, etc. Oh, and that flatirons don't damage hair as long as you use product with them. Sure. And unicorns are in my living room watching CSI right now, too.
So I'm a little nervous. This salon has a good reputation, and the stylist I'm seeing is actually willing to meet with me before she cuts my hair, which is a good sign. I guess if I don't trust her, I hobble out on my crutches as fast as I can. But I'm going to need a haircut eventually - actually, I need one now. So how do I find one that's not going to do terrible things to my head?
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
I checked to see if there were any Devachan Curl Consultants in your area, but I don't see any listed on the Devachan site. But, there are serveral salons in Chicago that sell Devacurl products, so maybe one of them might have someone who specializes in curly hair? Otherwise you could check the salon review section of this site (under 'curlscene' up at the top right corner) and see what salons other curlies in your area have recommended. Good luck!
3a/2c f/mii. pics added 2/3/07
I was amazed there were no Devachan consultants in Chicago - what, they have them in Cleveland, but not Chicago?
I did check the listing of salons, but ran into the problem that you often get on a review site - what someone adores, someone else hates. For every good review of someone, there seems to be a bad review and I end up nervous.
I did call "Arabesque" salon and leave a message for Lena.

What I was hoping for with this post was some other Chicagoan coming in and saying "oh yes, you need to see xxxy, since they're WONDERFUL!"

Sadly, I rarely get what I'm hoping for.

And are you truly a Lushaholic? I love their skin care line and the soaps, but have been disappointed by the line of hair stuff.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
I sympathize with your plight henchperson. Finding someone willing to work with wavy hair the way it is is really difficult. The only other thing I can think of is to find a stylist who was trained in Europe, because they learn how to cut hair dry. Don't be afraid to put the whole thing off, too.
2B wavy thick hair
Fia=2a M iii
modified CG since 1/12/06
Well, Lena at Arabesque had a distinct accent on her voicemail....I can always hope.

Should we start a sub-forum for Wavy Thick Crazy Irish Hair? :P
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
Lena called back - apparently, she's purchased the salon and it's no longer Arabesque. Seems to have been some staff changes, too. And this is very recent - I got the feeling that it's been maybe a week since it happened. The name change to Lena Cyrus Salon hasn't been published anywhere, and there isn't even a sign on her door, she says.
Wow, was I reassured after talking to her. She says that thinning shears are horrible, that wavy hair is often curly hair just waiting to be set free, and that I should never shampoo more than twice a week. And that I should remember that conditioner is my friend, oil is good for my hair, and that while it's nice to comb your hair every once in a while, finger-styling is the best idea to get really good curls.
I have an appointment on the 10th - she says between now and then, not to let heat touch my head because she needs to get a really good idea of how badly it's been damaged before she even thinks about cutting it. Recent heat styling = new damage, and the new damage could mask old damage, apparently. She sounded like she really knew what she was talking about. Says she's got kinky-curly hair and that once the "thinned" pieces grow out, my hair is going to be gorgeous. And if I cut down on the shampoo, probably curly, too.
So I'm reassured. And I'll report back on the 10th.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
Hi Henchperson!

Just wanted to say good luck with your hair cut. It sounds like you were really fortunate to find someone so knowledgable about wavy hair.

I checked out your hair journal, and I think we might be hair twins! I've been waiting a year for my hair twin to come along Sadly, I have no pictures. But once your hair gets longer, I'll be able to tell for sure.
Please update us ASAP on your hair cut!

ETA: Hmm...I scrolled down and saw your older picture...I'm afraid we might not be twins after all But I'm still anxious to hear about your hair cut!
2b/2c M iii
Haven't straightened since 4/1/06!
Proud to be a Product Minimalist (PM)
PW: wavy
We might be twins - my hair varies from day to day and from picture to picture, because I've been futzing around with styling products and conditioners and all those exciting things. The most recent pictures are the more accurate ones of what my hair really looks like, since the light in the bathroom I normally take my pictures in really washes out my hair color (and face color), and my husband took the pictures in the living room. Reluctantly. While saying "you're going to post pictures of your hair to the web? you've clearly lost your mind, honey."

I'm really interested to find out what my hair is really like. Because I don't know. I've been straightening, blow-drying, dying, bleaching, streaking, etc. for the last twenty years. Seriously. When I grew my hair out to my natural color about a year and half ago, it came as a shock to me and everyone else that I was a brunette with red highlights. Because it had been that long since anyone had seen my natural haircolor. When I started dying it (high school), I'd peroxide the HELL out of it, then layer a Manic Panic color over it to get a really vibrant purple or maroon. My dad just dropped off some family photos - I'll have to see if I can find one of those, because they were priceless. When I hit college, I went nearly-platinum-blonde and stayed that way, more or less, for ten years. And then I went red. And back to blonde. And sort of maroon. Etc.
That whole time, too, I've been trying to CHANGE my hair. Change the curls, change the thickness, change whatever I could about it. Make it different.
Now I'm trying to just make it mine. And I'm having way too much fun with the Hair Journal (could you tell)? The Hair Boutique system was nice, but wow, was it unstable, so LiveJournals are free and much more stable. Copying over the posts and pictures were pain, but it's much easier to update now.
The next set of pix will be prior to the 10th - day of haircut - and we'll see if we're near-twins or actual twins!
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
This new stylist sounds promising! I am going to be having the same frustration as you soon, my hair is getting to the point where its looking worse, and I wasn't thrilled with it when I first got it cut either. The stylist cut it wet, telling me it was straight, and then was surprised when it sprang to life after styling. The shortest layers were cut right about jaw length, so my hair looks messy with waves fighting each other and its not getting any better as it gets longer. I work at a university and it would be nice if it looked good for commencement, so I am going to be hunting around Boston for a stylist soon I fear.
By the way I have to confess, the reason I don't have pics is because I'd have to borrow a digital camera, take them in secret, and figure out how to get them on the web. The reason for secrecy is that it seems vain and I'm embarassed to be vain because it is a venial sin. The old catechism dies hard!
2B wavy thick hair
Fia=2a M iii
modified CG since 1/12/06
Oh, that Catholic indoctrination, it goes deep.

My Hair Journal is largely for my own use, to see how my hair changes. Under my "real" LJ name, I have a whole scrapbook of my hair from 2002 to now. I'll have to put it up on the hair journal.

Especially the picture of me with maroon hair.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
Tonight, I realized that in the short time I've been experimenting with the CG system, my scalp has adapted. Seriously.
I oiled up my hair yesterday to get rid of some dry, frizzy spots, and then (wouldn't you know it) got sent to the ER at 11pm. So I ran a bunch of baking soda through my hair to soak up the oil. My hair wasn't shiny, but it wasn't oily, either. Besides, they weren't looking at my hair.
So today I washed my hair with California baby tea tree/lavender shampoo, which is really gentle and uses only vegetable clensers. I had to give my hair and scalp a good scrub, since the oil and the baking soda had formed into a kind of gunk at scalp-level. I conditioned with the Aubrey Island Naturals and left it in for a while, then rinsed and did the whole blot-scrunch-gel-scrunch thing that's outlined in the book.
Point A: My hair is curly. Like, boom, I have curls. Not wavy. Curly.
Point B: My scalp is itchy. Really itchy. I've tried scratching, I've tried lotion, I've tried jojoba, and the only thing I can come up with is that my scalp is mad that I stripped it of oil during the shampoo. Seriously. I've been doing this for what, two weeks, and I haven't been shampoo-free at all, just very sparing and gentle. But today I had to scrub. And I've managed to strip out all the oils, just the way I used to every day when I'd wash my hair. My scalp? Does not like this.
So despite the fact that I have to go to the orthopedic surgeon tomorrow, I may get up earlyish and do a CO-wash to placate my scalp. Otherwise I'm going to spend my entire trip to the doctor scratching my head, and that's never a good look on anyone.

I did take pictures of my curls tonight, which I will post once I'm a little less...um. In an air cast and on crutches.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
I'm sorry to hear you were rushed to the ER! Hope everything is all right.

Isn't it sort of exciting when you finally let your hair be its natural self and stop fighting with it? People (outside of this board, of course) look at you like you're crazy when you say these things...but setting my hair free has affected so many other areas of my life. Keep going strong! Maybe soon you'll discover you're a curly and not a wavy! Plus your hair is going to be very healthy, and that's the main goal.

By the way I have to confess, the reason I don't have pics is because I'd have to borrow a digital camera, take them in secret, and figure out how to get them on the web. The reason for secrecy is that it seems vain and I'm embarassed to be vain because it is a venial sin. The old catechism dies hard!
stubbornirishhair I know what you mean! I have my own digital camera, but I have no earthly clue how to get pictures onto the web. Not to mention that good ol' Catholic guilt. LOL
2b/2c M iii
Haven't straightened since 4/1/06!
Proud to be a Product Minimalist (PM)
PW: wavy
I agree that this CG way of taking care of my hair is really liberating! I'm thrilled. My hair is so much healthier.
Sorry also to hear you have been having health problems, henchperson.
2B wavy thick hair
Fia=2a M iii
modified CG since 1/12/06
"Rushed" is rather a misnomer. "Hustled" would be a better term. I sprained my ankle last week, saw a doctor, got told it wasn't broken, and that was the extent of the medical care he gave me. So I've been walking about on a severely sprained ankle for a week. And I called a friend of mine who's a massage therapist to talk to her about the way things were popping and moving and swelling and she did the Darth Vader Voice Of Doom and sent me to the ER. I didn't know they taught the Voice of Doom in massage therapist school, but apparently they do. So today, after a trip to the orthopedic specialist, I'm in a walking cast with a sort of mix of a ligament tear and the overstretching of everything on the outside of my ankle. Hooray. Or, you know. Not.

Anyway - to make this a relevant post - after I washed it today (brown sugar/conditioner scrub because of the itchies from the shampoo, Suave Naturals Aloe conditioner as a "shampoo" and Aubrey Island Naturals as a conditioner, I realized I was have to going to pin my hair back now, while it was wet, or my doctor was going to think he was treating the Medusa for a sprained ankle. The CO washing has made me CURLY LIKE WOW.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
Well, crud.
Here I am, looking forward to my Ouidad's order. People keep telling me how great it is, how fantastic.
My UPS guy brings it today. I open the box.
And then I read the ingredients.
Wow, what a disappointment. 'cones, for one thing, in the conditioner AND the shampoo, plus harsh chemical cleansers in the shampoo. This stuff might be "volumizing," but it's not very nice to your hair.

I put the bottles right back in the box and will ship them back to Ouidad tomorrow. Pity they don't post the ingredients of the line on the website.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
Somewhere on this board, probably in the general section, is a pretty good list of products with no sulfates, silicones or proteins. It was a little wrong in that I got the Trader Joe's Refresh, and it has a somewhat harsh sulfate in it called something 12-14 olefin sulfate, but we've been using it diluted with distilled water. Anyway, maybe you could do a search for that list.
2B wavy thick hair
Fia=2a M iii
modified CG since 1/12/06
I've got enough for the moment, I think. I just heard such great things about Ouidad that I wanted to try it.
But not bad enough to put 'cones on my head (boy, that sounds weird).

Today I got a box of essential oils, including lavender, so I should be able to make that lavender mist stuff. That is, when I'm allowed to stand up. Because right now, my left leg looks like this:
and I'm not really allowed to walk much.
*sigh*

Why can't we have titanium unbreakable bones like X-men? Huh? They have great hair, too.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
"Rushed" is rather a misnomer. "Hustled" would be a better term. I sprained my ankle last week, saw a doctor, got told it wasn't broken, and that was the extent of the medical care he gave me. So I've been walking about on a severely sprained ankle for a week. And I called a friend of mine who's a massage therapist to talk to her about the way things were popping and moving and swelling and she did the Darth Vader Voice Of Doom and sent me to the ER. I didn't know they taught the Voice of Doom in massage therapist school, but apparently they do. So today, after a trip to the orthopedic specialist, I'm in a walking cast with a sort of mix of a ligament tear and the overstretching of everything on the outside of my ankle. Hooray. Or, you know. Not.

I'm sure you're finding out right about now exactly HOW much you need your ankles. I used to think ankle sprains and breaks were no-big-deal types of injuries, until it happened to ME, LOL.

I broke my ankle very badly a few years ago...as bad as you can break it and have it still attached to leg. I had reconstructive surgery and had a bunch of plates/pins/screws put in (which are still in there). It was a VERY long, very painful recovery...8 weeks no-weight-bearing, then 2 years of rehab. At times, I wished they had just amputated my foot, as it would have been easier. It will never be the same as it was...but I can't complain, as I can walk normally now, and even run.

ANYWAY...I do know how hard and frustrating it is to be laid up, especially if you're an active person. Get better soon.
Aww, thanks.
I'm no stranger to orthopedic injuries (not to TOTALLY hijack the thread or anything). I've had 12, mostly on my knee and hip, after a train/car accident in which the train rather clearly won. I was in the car.

The thing that frustrates me the MOST is that I went to a doctor the day after I injured it, who x-rayed it, said "it's sprained" and told me to wear an ace bandage. And then I wind up in the ER and then at a specialist's office. I did what I was supposed to do! I went to the doctor! And apparently - it wasn't enough, because the doctor wasn't paying any attention to anything but whether my ankle was broken.
My lawyer-husband has forbidden me from calling the original doctor up and making malpractice noises at him. He says it's mean. We're not going to sue, we're just going to let people know who he is and the kind of medical care he gives.

Now to bring this back on topic, your sig says you use DevaCare. How do you like that? I'm tempted to buy some - I am SUCh a product junkie.
Not curly, but wavy. Learning to love it.
Valiantly attempting to become a product minimalist.
The thing that frustrates me the MOST is that I went to a doctor the day after I injured it, who x-rayed it, said "it's sprained" and told me to wear an ace bandage. And then I wind up in the ER and then at a specialist's office. I did what I was supposed to do! I went to the doctor! And apparently - it wasn't enough, because the doctor wasn't paying any attention to anything but whether my ankle was broken.
My lawyer-husband has forbidden me from calling the original doctor up and making malpractice noises at him. He says it's mean. We're not going to sue, we're just going to let people know who he is and the kind of medical care he gives.

Now to bring this back on topic, your sig says you use DevaCare. How do you like that? I'm tempted to buy some - I am SUCh a product junkie.
As a nurse, I can tell you that doctors make mistakes every single day. Call me jaded, but I take all doctorly-advice as personal opinion only, not as gospel, and then make my own decisions.

I LOVE Deva products. I prefer the DevaCURL No-Poo and One Conditioner, to the DevaCARE, but i need to use up what I have before I buy more of the DevaCURL stuff. The No-Poo gets my hair cleaner than any other conditioner-wash I've used.

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