2cs...HELP!

Ok so I've been CG for this whole week, and today I had a pretty bad hair day. I would like to know, what products do my fellow 2cs use? And, in your response, if you could spell out the product names instead of using abbreviations, I would really appreciate it! I'm getting overwhelmed with all the info on this board!

TIA!
The first few weeks of CG can be VERY overwhelming and your hair will go through a transition period so don't give up yet. What products are you using now? What techniques are you using to style? I am a 2c and I'll list for you the things that work for me (most of the time). LVPNG (Loreal Vive Pro Nutri Gloss in the pink bottle for long wavy/curly hair) is a great condish that really helps with detangling. GVP conditioning balm (Generig Value Product compares to biolage conditioning balm) can be bought at Sally's and it's my new favorite conditioner. Trader Joe's Nourish condish is good too. I also like Deva OneCondition a lot. I use Suave naturals Tangerine to co-wash and I like it better than the coconut but they all work pretty much the same. I have been using my condish as my leave-in too but I have used Giovanni Direct Leave-in and liked it. I didn't care for the Deva leave-in at all. I make my own FSG (flax seed gel) and I'm having some pretty good results with it but it doesn't seem to give me enough hold alone so I layer it with another gel. I like all of these gels but don't really have a favorite...BRHG (Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee), Deva Angell, HETT (Herbal Essences Totally Twisted), and HESMU (Herbal Essences Set Me Up). I am playing with curl cremes or enhancers and the one that alot of us like and I am having some success with right now is KCCC (Kinky Curly Curl Custard). I know KMS California makes one that's CG called CurlUp curling balm.

As far as styling I do plop and clip and pixiecurl diffuse. You can do a search on the boards for those. There will be tons of threads and some with video links and such.

So here's my routine in case it helps.
Co-wash
Condish
Leave-in
Curl cream
FSG if I'm going to use it
Gel
Plop 10 min or so with t-shirt or microfiber towel
Clip my roots
Pixiecurl diffuse to about 80% then air dry the rest
When dry I take out the clips and SOTC (scrunch out the crunch)

I figured if I put the acronyms next to the full names of the products it would be easier for you to recognize them on the boerds. Good luck and don't give up yet.
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Thank you so much! I love the lion king quote, btw

Right now I'm using burts bees more moisture shampoo to cleanse my scalp only, and mill creek botanicals jojoba conditioner (which I know isn't really working for me). Then I sort of scrunch with a towel, and add some loreal melting gel, and scrunch more.
I agree, the first few weeks of CG pretty much suck. LOL. I found that yes, my hair DOES need occasional shampooing, so I use a low poo, Trader Joe's Refresh (it's sulfate free). I shampoo probably once a week, and then do the following routine:

(My routine and products):

*Water rinse hair daily in shower (I have never achieved 2nd day hair...ever.)
*Rinse out condish just about daily (I play it by ear depending on how my hair feels) with either L'Oreal Vive Pro Nutri Gloss condish for Curly/Wavy hair or Suave Naturals Lavender and Lilac. Leave in condish daily with Suave (small quarter sized amt.)
*Use the Icequeen method when applying rinse out condish and leave in condish: Oh the clumps! The Icequeen Method
*Plop with this towel http://www.curlmart.com/Aquis-Mimis-...ban-p-157.html for about 2 minutes, just long enough to get hair to stop dripping.
*Scrunch in Botticelli Babe's custom flax seed gelee (she's a poster here, pm her to order).
*Scrunch in small amount of Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (I'm switching to Biolage Rock Hard Gelee today, however, for more hold).
*Diffuse dry, upside-down, give all over cold shot (put dryer on cold setting) after hair is dry to set style.
*Scrunch out the crunch, sometimes using Jane Carter Solutions Nourish and Shine (again, I play this by ear depending on how my hair feels/looks).

Done.

It looks complicated, and I guess to someone just starting out it is, but to me it's not because I do it every day. Hope this is somewhat helpful. I know it's frustrating to hear, but you have to just sort of experiment and try different things to find what works for you.

I will tell you, I started getting MUCH better results with a combination of 5 things:

1. Using Mysteryflavored's technique for application of product (link to her video):
Kinky-Curly styling video
2. Scrunching out the crunch (I was always mystified when people said gel or product didn't leave crunch, because I wasn't scrunching my hair when it was dry to scrunch out the crunch afterward).
3. Using Icequeen's clumping technique (linked up post).
4. Shampooing when my hair felt greasy or build-uppy.
5. Using Botticelli Babe's flax seed gelee (I know I sound like a paid advertiser, but I'm not, just an amazed and loyal customer).

Technique is equally as important as product. I'll be honest with you, I started CG in September of '08, and only in the past 5 weeks or so have finally mastered the art of good hair. LOL. It's a learning curve, lots of days with my hair pulled back in a clip before now.
Medium texture, normal-high porosity, wavy-curly 2c to 3a-ish hair that is MOISTURE HUNGRY!!!
Currently recovering from a protein hair crisis. My hair hates protein, apparently.

Thank you so much! I'm going to try the Loreal condish and the HESMU since you both like it.

Finch, thank you for the step by step. I'm curious, when you diffuse, do you use the pixiecurl method? I diffused yesterday and didn't use that method, but I ended up frizzy. I also used the warm setting on low...what advice do you have on diffusing?

I am starting to feel a little better, thank you both for your help and suggestions!
I don't get second day hair either and I do the same routine as Finch every day. You get used to it and it actually starts to go very fast after a few weeks. I don't order my FSG from Botticelli Babe but I do follow her basic recipe and make my own. Here is the recipe thread No-fail flax seed gel - I finally did it...TWICE!
The FSG has made such a difference in my hair. Also you need to use a microfiber or t-shirt towel on your hair. Terrycloth will always give you frizz. I make my own by getting t-shirt material from the craft store and cutting it in the rectangle shape that's big enough for me to plop in. But the towel Finch recommended is well liked as is the Curl-ease towel and I've seen the curl ease towel in my local beauty supply.
Plopping has been a lifesaver for me. Go to www.jessicurl.com , click on the demo videos link and go down and watch the one called plunking. I can't plop longer than 10 min or I get flat top but it really helps with excess moisture and wave formation. You plop after you put your product in.
The key to diffusing, and why the pixiecurl method is so popular, is not to let your hair fly all around under the dryer. That just creates frizz. Let us know how it all works out...
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Ok so I've been CG for this whole week, and today I had a pretty bad hair day. I would like to know, what products do my fellow 2cs use? And, in your response, if you could spell out the product names instead of using abbreviations, I would really appreciate it! I'm getting overwhelmed with all the info on this board!

TIA!
Originally Posted by lazywaves

i also just started the cg method and it wasnt working at first but i found out i had to do a sulfate wash one last time to get all the cones out of my hair and then start cg....did u do that?
2c/3a

My hair hates too much glycerin.

*Co-wash - VO5 strawberries and cream, Suave Naturals Tropical Coconut
*Deep Condition (twice a week) - GVP Conditioning Balm
*Poo (once every 2 weeks) - Burts Bees Super Shiny Shampoo
*Pre Poo - Coconut or Sweet Almond Oil (VERY lightly)
*Styling - Pantene Ice Shine Mousse, HE Gel, Curl Booster Fixative Gel (and lots of diffusing- pixie method)
Finch, thank you for the step by step. I'm curious, when you diffuse, do you use the pixiecurl method? I diffused yesterday and didn't use that method, but I ended up frizzy. I also used the warm setting on low...what advice do you have on diffusing?
Originally Posted by lazywaves
I do a modified pixiecurl method. I keep the heat on high, the fan on low, and move the dryer around my head in clumps, taking care to not let the hair blow around under the dryer like Jess said. I just can't sit there and hold the dang dryer in one spot on my head for a gazillion years, I don't have that kind of patience .

I make sure to coil the hair into the "bowl" of the diffuser, then push the "bowl" all the way to my scalp and let it sit there a couple of minutes, then move it to another section of hair, taking care not to blow the hair around.
Medium texture, normal-high porosity, wavy-curly 2c to 3a-ish hair that is MOISTURE HUNGRY!!!
Currently recovering from a protein hair crisis. My hair hates protein, apparently.

Okay, so I bought the CG book and thumbed through it, buI got aover half a bottle of shampoo and condish to finish before I can start the routine.

Just a little confused. I wash with a sulfate but cone free shampoo for final wash...then I can use a sulfate free and cone free occassionaly for my wavy hair??

TIA
Yep, you got it. Some wavies find that an occasional sulfate poo is necessary. I am modified-CG, so I do sulfate-free poos once or twice a week, co-washes the other days, and about every four or six weeks I do a gentle sulfate poo (I like B&B Creme de Coco for this).

If you don't use any cones in your conditioner or stylers, you might not ever need to use sulfate poo.

All this talk of poo sounds like we're talking about toddlers, huh?

Annie
Modified-CG, 2c, slightly protein-sensitive, color-treated

LA County, SoCal - Cool and some humidity FINALLY
Liking: Suave co-washes, LVPHG, homemade curl cream and DT
Loving: KCKT/KCCC/HESMU, Biolage, K-Pak reconstructor, SheaM
Hi, i'm new here, my hair is 2C-ish as well. I started CG about a month ago, and have just recently started noticing improvement in my hair. I think you just have to stick to a good routine and wait out the first few weeks before you start to see results. Good luck !
Hi, i'm new here, my hair is 2C-ish as well. I started CG about a month ago, and have just recently started noticing improvement in my hair. I think you just have to stick to a good routine and wait out the first few weeks before you start to see results. Good luck !
Originally Posted by Jennalynn20
Great advice Jennalynn! When I first started out, I dealt with less than spectacular hair days. Even now, almost a year and a half later, I'm still experimenting and finding out what does/doesn't work with my waves. Also, bear in mind that what works for others may not necessarily work well for your hair.
2 b/c :: slight protein sensitivity :: med/coarse texture :: normal porosity

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Thanks for the advice everyone! I have to say, I've been having some pretty bad hair days lately. Everything seemed ok, and then I just started getting lots of tangles and a general greasy feel. Yesterday I low pooed and conditioned and didn't add any other products to just let my hair rest. I was using FOTE aloe vera gel which maybe my hair didn't like? I don't know.
2c-Coarse and Porous.
Experimenting with products right now.

My routine:
Low poo for scalp
Condition using icequeen method
rake in gel at scalp
scrunch with microfiber towel
scrunch in more gel side to side
pixiecurl diffuse side to side
SOTC

My hair hates:
Upside down diffusing
Upside down Plopping
Protein
thanks for the replies...i'll let you all know how it goes

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