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Old 12-09-2009, 09:19 PM   #161
 
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So, a couple of days ago I posted that my hair seems to be losing definition and i'm back to worrying that i'm forcing my hair to be wavy when it really isn't!

I was going to buy some more products and see if I could improve things, but didn't manage to get to the store yet. (I love snow, but not when it gets between me and shopping!)

Today I decided to change things up with what I already have. I've been using Suave Coconut as my co-wash, and Burt's Bees Super Shiny (Grapefruit and Sugar Beet) as my rinse out. I've noticed, though, that Burt's Bees just doesn't feel right in my hair. It feels like I need to put a LOT in for it to feel like it's coating all my hair. So today I used Suave for my rinse out too.

This is my hair a week ago (about a week into CG), which I think was my best result yet:



And this is my hair today:



It looks shiny and curlier at the back (the underneath isn't practically straight, for once) but it just doesn't look right to me. And more than that, it doesn't feel right on my head, if that makes any sense. Before even looking at it, I could tell something wasn't right.

So, I don't know... this mess today really hasn't helped my mood about this all in the slightest! I don't even know enough about all of this right now to know what I can figure out from the result today!

Argh!
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Today I co-washed with SN Coconut and left it in while I finished my shower. Scrunched out excess water, smoothed in SN Aloe & Water Lily as LI, scrunched/smoothed in HETT mousse (1 palm full) and scrunched HETT gel on top. Best results all week I don't difuse so I didn't get a lot of volume from the mousse, but I do have more waves than I have all week.

Question: If you use mousse, do you use gel on top like I did today or just by itself?
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I don't know, I overdid it with the AFG this morning and my hair just looks like a fluffy undefined mass. I am glad I have a haircut this weekend, I need some serious shaping.

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Thumbs down Well it had to happen I guess

A bad hair day. Not terrible but certainly far less than it has been lately. It doesn't look awful but it's not living up to its full potential AND my scalp itches for some reason. hmm.

Used Hairveda Amala Shampoo followed by Komaza Aloe Conditioner. No leave in. Then used the new CJ CIAB and topped with BRHG. A bit frizzy, producty, falling curls and with strange curls and bad canopy..I had to clip it back..My hair also feels kind of dry and not in a good way. *sigh*

I think no leave in + CIAB is not a good idea for me. Komaza's pretty moisturizing to my hair but I should have used a LI. The CIAB worked so well for me with a LI under it.

So I'll consider it User and change it up for tomorrow.

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So, a couple of days ago I posted that my hair seems to be losing definition and i'm back to worrying that i'm forcing my hair to be wavy when it really isn't!

I was going to buy some more products and see if I could improve things, but didn't manage to get to the store yet. (I love snow, but not when it gets between me and shopping!)

Today I decided to change things up with what I already have. I've been using Suave Coconut as my co-wash, and Burt's Bees Super Shiny (Grapefruit and Sugar Beet) as my rinse out. I've noticed, though, that Burt's Bees just doesn't feel right in my hair. It feels like I need to put a LOT in for it to feel like it's coating all my hair. So today I used Suave for my rinse out too.

This is my hair a week ago (about a week into CG), which I think was my best result yet:



And this is my hair today:



It looks shiny and curlier at the back (the underneath isn't practically straight, for once) but it just doesn't look right to me. And more than that, it doesn't feel right on my head, if that makes any sense. Before even looking at it, I could tell something wasn't right.

So, I don't know... this mess today really hasn't helped my mood about this all in the slightest! I don't even know enough about all of this right now to know what I can figure out from the result today!

Argh!
Umm yep yep it's wavy...or curly...but it's definitely not straight hair

I did not have any luck with Burt's Bees. They seem really good but my hair was just icky with them. Not sure that is your problem or you are just transitioning which can lead to bad hair days occasionally..or what.

If you have fine hair perhaps a Protein Treatment? Your hair LOOKS awesome--and very healthy and shiny so it doesn't look unhealthy to me. I get what you are saying about the curl though.

Also lots of us wavies do a low poo...for my hair that results in more curls not less...straight co-washing just did not work for me. I really couldn't tell you why..I've seen my best curls when i've gone to doing low poo a couple times a week as well as mixing it up a bit with some specific conditioners that are meant for co-washing (vs. Suave or Garnier Fructis that aren't designed that way). They are all online though.

There is a poo thread you can review or maybe like you did switch it up. Suave and V05 did nothing much for my hair at all...I think I used them for the first 10 days and then ditched them. We preferred Giovanni or Trader Joe's products or Bedhead Tigi Moisture Maniac or Catwalk Oatmeal and Honey or the Yes to Cucumbers or Tomatoes (not the Carrots,,it has cones) much more for on ground than the Suave. IMHO.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:21 PM   #166
 
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Umm yep yep it's wavy...or curly...but it's definitely not straight hair

I did not have any luck with Burt's Bees. They seem really good but my hair was just icky with them. Not sure that is your problem or you are just transitioning which can lead to bad hair days occasionally..or what.

If you have fine hair perhaps a Protein Treatment? Your hair LOOKS awesome--and very healthy and shiny so it doesn't look unhealthy to me. I get what you are saying about the curl though.

Also lots of us wavies do a low poo...for my hair that results in more curls not less...straight co-washing just did not work for me. I really couldn't tell you why..I've seen my best curls when i've gone to doing low poo a couple times a week as well as mixing it up a bit with some specific conditioners that are meant for co-washing (vs. Suave or Garnier Fructis that aren't designed that way). They are all online though.

There is a poo thread you can review or maybe like you did switch it up. Suave and V05 did nothing much for my hair at all...I think I used them for the first 10 days and then ditched them. We preferred Giovanni or Trader Joe's products or Bedhead Tigi Moisture Maniac or Catwalk Oatmeal and Honey or the Yes to Cucumbers or Tomatoes (not the Carrots,,it has cones) much more for on ground than the Suave. IMHO.
It could be a form of transition, I guess. I haven't had the greasy thing happen at all, so maybe this is my transition!

My hair is medium, I think, but I have just spent some time searching the forums for info about protein.. and after doing a few strand tests, I'm thinking you might be right. Every strand seemed to stretch and not go back to it's before length, so I think that pretty much seals that.

Low-poo is a good idea. I'll have to look into more products, I guess. As if I haven't wasted hours of doing that already! I'll hunt down that thread to look through.

I actually really want to try Giovanni TTTT but i've been unsuccessful in tracking it down so far. I'm going to a different Walgreens tomorrow though, so fingers crossed they have it!

I think after thinking about it and looking at those pictures again, the problem was mostly with clumping. Which is weird, because I used the super-soaker method that day, just as I always do. Very strange.

Thanks so much for the advice Hopefully i'll figure it all out eventually!
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:42 PM   #167
 
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Umm yep yep it's wavy...or curly...but it's definitely not straight hair

I did not have any luck with Burt's Bees. They seem really good but my hair was just icky with them. Not sure that is your problem or you are just transitioning which can lead to bad hair days occasionally..or what.

If you have fine hair perhaps a Protein Treatment? Your hair LOOKS awesome--and very healthy and shiny so it doesn't look unhealthy to me. I get what you are saying about the curl though.

Also lots of us wavies do a low poo...for my hair that results in more curls not less...straight co-washing just did not work for me. I really couldn't tell you why..I've seen my best curls when i've gone to doing low poo a couple times a week as well as mixing it up a bit with some specific conditioners that are meant for co-washing (vs. Suave or Garnier Fructis that aren't designed that way). They are all online though.

There is a poo thread you can review or maybe like you did switch it up. Suave and V05 did nothing much for my hair at all...I think I used them for the first 10 days and then ditched them. We preferred Giovanni or Trader Joe's products or Bedhead Tigi Moisture Maniac or Catwalk Oatmeal and Honey or the Yes to Cucumbers or Tomatoes (not the Carrots,,it has cones) much more for on ground than the Suave. IMHO.
It could be a form of transition, I guess. I haven't had the greasy thing happen at all, so maybe this is my transition!

My hair is medium, I think, but I have just spent some time searching the forums for info about protein.. and after doing a few strand tests, I'm thinking you might be right. Every strand seemed to stretch and not go back to it's before length, so I think that pretty much seals that.

Low-poo is a good idea. I'll have to look into more products, I guess. As if I haven't wasted hours of doing that already! I'll hunt down that thread to look through.

I actually really want to try Giovanni TTTT but i've been unsuccessful in tracking it down so far. I'm going to a different Walgreens tomorrow though, so fingers crossed they have it!

I think after thinking about it and looking at those pictures again, the problem was mostly with clumping. Which is weird, because I used the super-soaker method that day, just as I always do. Very strange.

Thanks so much for the advice Hopefully i'll figure it all out eventually!
If you have a Whole Foods near you, that's where I get mine.

I've also seen it at Rite Aid, and one of the Target stores in town -- but they keep it with their "natural/organic" products, not with all the other hair stuff, if that makes sense.
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If you have a Whole Foods near you, that's where I get mine.

I've also seen it at Rite Aid, and one of the Target stores in town -- but they keep it with their "natural/organic" products, not with all the other hair stuff, if that makes sense.
I actually didn't notice that Walgreens has a way to check availability in stores... just checked the ones near me and none of them stock it.

But, I did just check Target and they stock it in one near me, so yay! thank you for mentioning that!! And double yay, they have it for 25% off right now
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OMG...fellow wavies and wurlies Im so excited 2day is my very first day of CG and I am having the first good hair day in a while. Ok..so its not as clumpy as I would like it to be and is rather 'piecy' and I have yet to scrunch out ther crunch but other wise...im impressed.

Final wash with sulfate shampoo
CO with Simple Conditioner (the ONLY one I could find with no cones!!!)
Rinse-out with Garnier Fructis Fortifying Conditioner
Pink Boots Curl Creme
Aloe Vera Gel
Pixe Diffusing

...I hope this works out better.
If any one has any more suggestions or advice..lemmie know!
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OMG...fellow wavies and wurlies Im so excited 2day is my very first day of CG and I am having the first good hair day in a while. Ok..so its not as clumpy as I would like it to be and is rather 'piecy' and I have yet to scrunch out ther crunch but other wise...im impressed.

Final wash with sulfate shampoo
CO with Simple Conditioner (the ONLY one I could find with no cones!!!)
Rinse-out with Garnier Fructis Fortifying Conditioner
Pink Boots Curl Creme
Aloe Vera Gel
Pixe Diffusing

...I hope this works out better.
If any one has any more suggestions or advice..lemmie know!
Welcome to the 2's board! Right now looks like you'e doing well! My best advice is to just read, read, read here and get to know your hair

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^^ Thanks for the support...I just took sum pics and may post them on the other thread to chart my progress
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Oh thank goodness I got rid of the disaster that was yesterday. I had so much AFG in my hair, I had flakes. Seriously. Today, I am back to my beloved AOMM/HETT combo.



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Looks great, Gekko!
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Thanks! Yesterday was just awful!!
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Today I did my usual co-wash and then my LI. I smoothed DoC (sample from solid ) and scrunched in HETT on top. Good hair day. A lot like AOMM though. I'll try something different tomorrow.
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Looks great, Gekko!
Absolutely an awesome combo for you! I love it!!!
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Unfortunately, another day of bad results here!

I decided to take Alex's suggestion of doing a low poo and tried that today. Unfortunately, the only one I had was Burt's Bees (the same type as the condish I have of theirs). So I low pooed with that, and then used Burt's Bees as a rinse-out too. I did that mainly because I had read somewhere that Suave Coconut has some protein in it, and despite being sure I need more protein, thought i'd take the opportunity to see if my hair has an aversion to it.

My hair came out shiny again, and still pretty wavy in the back, but it's still looking stringy and not clumping well, despite using the super soaker method again.

I'm definitely happy with how wavy the back is getting. The wave starts at least 3 inches higher up in the back than it did when I first started CG!

As to the awful clumping and general messiness of the waves, i'm still at a complete loss!
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Well Euterpe, I'm not sure the messiness will go away. I think that goes with the territory of being a wavy. There are some wavies who hair looks orderly (justduit comes to mind), but most of us have some unruly combination and I think we will be forever searching for a way to make it all fit.

However, what I have found to be true, is that over time, and with certain product combos, your curl pattern will tighten up just a bit. Just like 2 months ago my bottom layer was just almost straight, now it actually waves up on a regular basis, and with some product combos I actually see curls and not just limp waves. I really don't think that its something that happens overnight, or happens to everyone, but over time you'll see some improvement!

Oh, and you can't force your hair to be wavy when it isn't! completely straight hair does not have any bends. I totally understand your thought process though, because when I first started noticing my waves I thought it was left over perm (after a year? and my hair was short so I maybe had at most 3 inches of perm left on the ends. Then I thought that my hair only curled because it was dry and damaged. Finally, when telling my friend with straight hair the same story, she told me I was nutto and straight hair never curls/waves like mine did (and yours is much wavier curlier than mine) just because you scrunch it with gel. My friend showed me what her hair did -- and its nothing hahaha. It doesn't curl on the ends or anything, its just a stringy mess. There are no clumps, because there are no curls to stick together.
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Beachy waves look today.

I haven't really done anything the last few days.
When I don't do anything at all and sleep on it for more than a couple of days the wave pattern gets very loose. So today I lightly flat ironed the underside of my hair so it matched the wave of my canopy. Then I lightly, very lightly dragged a comb over the surface.

I really need to wash my hair tonight but don't want too. It's so cold!!
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I gave diffusing another try with great results. This time I didn't turn the hair dryer on until I had all my hair in the bowl and the bowl up near my head. Seemed to really help cut down on frizz. Now, I have to figure out if I can diffuse at night and find a way to keep the curls nice. I really prefer taking evening showers when my 16 month old is in bed.
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