What did you learn about hair this week?

What did you learn about hair in general this week?
There are two companies. Darcy's Botanicals and Jasmine's Botanicals.
PT's on the roots can potentially cause flat roots.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
I learned that combing my hair out of the shower not only breaks up any clumps in my hair, but also straightens my waves. I left my hair to air dry tonight, no product and it's actually quite wavy. I've never done this without combing my hair like crazy first.
2a-2bFii NP?

Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
locking Spray
Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
I learned that less product is better for waves. Back to the basics. And that CIAB rocks!
I learned that salt water is not enough to revive gunky hair for next day hair. If it feels gross, wash it, even if you're feeling extremely lazy and don't want to.

I learned that my gel isn't CG as I though it was...it has dimethicone copopyl, and while it *should* be ok, I should probably look for a new gel when this runs out.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

I learned that moisture is the key to soft hair and clumps.

I learned that the more my hair clumps, the less curly my hair looks. Finding the balance between clumps and tightness of curls is my next challenge.
2a underneath, 2b/c on top, medium texture, low porosity, normal elasticity, high density
mod-CG since Feb 2009
HG Combo: CJDF, BCDC & AFL
Other Favorites:
all things Spiral Solutions and Curl Junkie!!
I learned that moisture is the key to soft hair and clumps.

I learned that the more my hair clumps, the less curly my hair looks. Finding the balance between clumps and tightness of curls is my next challenge.
Originally Posted by elita
You know, I've been very tempted to not scrunch after showering, and load up gel and stuff and smooth on my hair immediately and see what happens. Obvs I won't get curl, but I wonder if I'd get sleeker, clumpier less frizzy waves.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

I've learned stuff learned today may need to be unlearned tomorrow

1- I've learned about my hair in particular that raking anything in to distribute is *not* a good thing.

Even soaking wet hair. My hair is either too fine for that or my curls are just too delicate....all it does is separate my clumps and give me stringy hair highlighted by product . The same applies for combing of any kind unless detangling with conditioner.

2- I've learned that I need to practice my technique to evenly distribute product so that there aren't any 'stupid' spots.

3- I've learned that for me, it's not about products, it's about technique.

I've learned stuff learned today may need to be unlearned tomorrow

1- I've learned about my hair in particular that raking anything in to distribute is *not* a good thing.

Even soaking wet hair. My hair is either too fine for that or my curls are just too delicate....all it does is separate my clumps and give me stringy hair highlighted by product . The same applies for combing of any kind unless detangling with conditioner.

2- I've learned that I need to practice my technique to evenly distribute product so that there aren't any 'stupid' spots.

3- I've learned that for me, it's not about products, it's about technique.
Originally Posted by hookilau
Ditto! Well said hooki!


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

I think this has been a breakthrough week for me. I learned:

Not to skimp on my leave in. The more I use, the better my hair is when dry. I think I may still need to use more, but I'm working up to it gradually.

That Re:Coil is sadly not for me. I'm disappointed beyond words about that. I think I'm going to give it one more try, but I don't have high hopes that anything will change.

I shouldn't rake in anything after my final rinse. Scrunching and smoothing is key for my hair; raking kills my clumps.

Crunch is not something to be afraid of. In fact, more crunch may be better. If my hair is super-crunchy in the morning, once I SOTC my hair has nice volume and the waves are less undefined. I've come to be on good terms with my HESMU, which I initially thought wasn't going to work for me.

A modified overnight plop works really well. I plop after my shower until I go to bed - which is about 2-3 hours, depending on the night. Then when I go to bed, I untie my plop (I am using the Live Curly Live Free style, so it's tied in the front), but still leave it exactly where it is, just untied. Throughout the night as I sleep it loosens up, but my curls are still protected and mostly still on top of my head. This has eliminated the flat-top from a tight overnight plop.

AND...most importantly of all, I think I learned the right order in which to do things to my hair. After I'm done with my washing and conditioning and showering I put in leave-in. Next KCCC, then gel. And then, and only then, I scrunch out excess water with a flour sack towel. Plop last. I was scrunching out excess water between the leave-in and KCCC and getting massive frizz and broken curl/wave pattern. Now I know to lock in the curls and waves, THEN take out the water. Since I've started doing this, my hair is only slightly damp in the morning, rather than still soaking wet, much less frizzy, and more defined. It has worked better for getting my hair to dry than any other method of wringing, scrunching, shaking, etc.
Scribe Rona, Bibliophile of the Auburn Spirals and Pilgrim to the Western Wastelands, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2c/3a, M/C, iii, low porosity, absolutely no elasticity

Co-wash: SN Coconut or Apple
Co: GFSS, GVP CB, GTTTT
Leave-in: SN Coconut or GFTN
Stylers: KCCC, L'Oreal Melting Gel, HESMU
Cleanse: Burt's Bees Shampoo Bar (1x week)

My hair loves the Icequeen Method and overnight plopping.

CG since 02/03/10!

My curl creme isn't CG. It has TWO 'cones!

I need to use more gel, or at least a stronger hold gel. By the end of the day my hair looks very (very) undefined.
mod cg since feb. 18th, 2010
2b/2c, pretty porous and slightly elastic.
garnier fructis s&s, hesmu, and biotera curl creme.

Hair in general: I found out there is such a thing as a glycerin spray and maybe I should make one this summer. It's mostly glycerin + water in a spray bottle. There are recipes on youtube. I also relearned about bentonite clay. This can clean and moisturize hair. I want to try this too. I'll add it to my always growing list of wants.

My hair:
There are a few other people out there with very fine hair that needs lots and lots of moisture.

Even though my hair doesn't need lots and lots of protein, it may like it every day. (jury is still out)
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

I shouldn't rake in anything after my final rinse. Scrunching and smoothing is key for my hair; raking kills my clumps.

A modified overnight plop works really well. I plop after my shower until I go to bed - which is about 2-3 hours, depending on the night. Then when I go to bed, I untie my plop (I am using the Live Curly Live Free style, so it's tied in the front), but still leave it exactly where it is, just untied. Throughout the night as I sleep it loosens up, but my curls are still protected and mostly still on top of my head. This has eliminated the flat-top from a tight overnight plop.

AND...most importantly of all, I think I learned the right order in which to do things to my hair. After I'm done with my washing and conditioning and showering I put in leave-in. Next KCCC, then gel. And then, and only then, I scrunch out excess water with a flour sack towel. Plop last. I was scrunching out excess water between the leave-in and KCCC and getting massive frizz and broken curl/wave pattern. Now I know to lock in the curls and waves, THEN take out the water. Since I've started doing this, my hair is only slightly damp in the morning, rather than still soaking wet, much less frizzy, and more defined. It has worked better for getting my hair to dry than any other method of wringing, scrunching, shaking, etc.
Originally Posted by Rona V.
I think I'm there with you on the smoothing rather than raking...I had more clumps today with smoothing and scrunching only. Now, I was not as curly as I've been, but I was less stringy and had better overall clumps and waves that were more consistent...just looser and softer. I squeeze out a little water, but much of the scrunching the water out is after I've added what I need to (right now it is just gel and maybe a shine styling cream).

But could you elaborate more on the modified overnight plop? What I do is use a l/s shirt, position the neck closest to me, fold the bottom over the back of my head, bring the arms/sleeves up and cross at the nape of my neck and then tie on the top of my head. I get weird hair sometimes, but I love the convenience of an overnight plop.

Hair in general: I found out there is such a thing as a glycerin spray and maybe I should make one this summer. It's mostly glycerin + water in a spray bottle. There are recipes on youtube. I also relearned about bentonite clay. This can clean and moisturize hair. I want to try this too. I'll add it to my always growing list of wants.

My hair:
There are a few other people out there with very fine hair that needs lots and lots of moisture.

Even though my hair doesn't need lots and lots of protein, it may like it every day. (jury is still out)
Originally Posted by pedaheh
What are the benefits of using bentonite clay? I think I am a fine hair that needs moisture. I just need to balance it so that my scalp and roots don't get too weighed down.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

Not to skimp on my leave in. The more I use, the better my hair is when dry.

A modified overnight plop works really well. I plop after my shower until I go to bed - which is about 2-3 hours, depending on the night. Then when I go to bed, I untie my plop (I am using the Live Curly Live Free style, so it's tied in the front), but still leave it exactly where it is, just untied. Throughout the night as I sleep it loosens up, but my curls are still protected and mostly still on top of my head. This has eliminated the flat-top from a tight overnight plop.
Originally Posted by Rona V.
I learned this about leave-in also. I tried to cut back on the leave-in this week because the dewpoints were higher, but my hair was dry and frizzy.

What a great tip for plopping. I love overnight plopping because my hair takes all day to dry but I always had problems with flat roots. I'll have to try this tonight

But could you elaborate more on the modified overnight plop? What I do is use a l/s shirt, position the neck closest to me, fold the bottom over the back of my head, bring the arms/sleeves up and cross at the nape of my neck and then tie on the top of my head. I get weird hair sometimes, but I love the convenience of an overnight plop.
Originally Posted by plunkybug
Plunky, here is a link on the plopping the live curly live free way. It works really well to keep the towel secured tightly and it is easier to sleep. I like using a flour sack towel the best. Because it is so tight though I always get flat roots, but I like Rona's idea!
2a underneath, 2b/c on top, medium texture, low porosity, normal elasticity, high density
mod-CG since Feb 2009
HG Combo: CJDF, BCDC & AFL
Other Favorites:
all things Spiral Solutions and Curl Junkie!!
Bentonite clay
Empressi's youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7b4GGSVd88
Curly Nicki on bentonite, this post has it's properties
http://www.curlynikki.com/2009/01/ni...-dare-not.html
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
So, this week I (just) learned about bentonite clay! Thanks for the info Ped! Please let us know what you think. I also learned from a friend that she washes at night and puts her hair in a high bun and sleeps with it like that...she says she gets great wurls that way. Another friend chimed in on the thread and said she does the same thing and has good results too. They both have much longer and thicker hair than I do. but it's worth a try.

As for my hair, I think it likes the a-cone, but I'm not sure if that's what it seemed to respond well to with the LVPHG. I'm going to have to keep trying the condish and see how it goes. I have also learned not to use my liquid Jungle mix as a leave-in...I think it is making my hair frizzy and just plain weird. Also, I have to be more mindful of how much Live Clean Argan Oil Smooth and Shine Cream I use...I've been using too much and getting gunky hair. I think I might prefer my wurls to be more clumpy and uniform, but looser, rather than curlier and stringier. If I could get more uniform and clumpier curls, with root volume and wurl, I'd be a really happy camper!


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

But could you elaborate more on the modified overnight plop? What I do is use a l/s shirt, position the neck closest to me, fold the bottom over the back of my head, bring the arms/sleeves up and cross at the nape of my neck and then tie on the top of my head. I get weird hair sometimes, but I love the convenience of an overnight plop.
Originally Posted by plunkybug
I started off plopping just like you do, except I left the sleeves tied at the nape rather than on top of my head (when I tied on top it would inevitably end up sliding off). Then I read about the Live Curly Live Free method, which sounded soooo much more comfortable for sleeping. (See the link Elita posted for more info on this method.) So I ran out and bought some flour sack towels and started plopping this way.

However, my head is a little bigger than I thought it was. I don't have enough of the towel left in the front to tie, so I secure the two ends together with an elastic. This plop is great, but oh so tight! In the mornings I was getting terrible flat-top since my hair was so compacted. Plus a little bit of a headache from having my towel on so tightly.

So once I lay down and am all settled in bed, the very last thing I do before I zonk out is to reach up and take the elastic off. That's it. I leave everything exactly where it is, just take the elastic off. The towel gradually loosens up overnight as I sleep. Some mornings I wake up to find that it's still loosely draped around my head, sometimes it's still in place, and sometimes it's completely gone (guess it depends on how much I toss and turn that particular night). Either way, for most of the night my curls stay within the confines of the plop, but it's not so tight that it (scientific word alert!) smushes my roots completely flat.
Scribe Rona, Bibliophile of the Auburn Spirals and Pilgrim to the Western Wastelands, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2c/3a, M/C, iii, low porosity, absolutely no elasticity

Co-wash: SN Coconut or Apple
Co: GFSS, GVP CB, GTTTT
Leave-in: SN Coconut or GFTN
Stylers: KCCC, L'Oreal Melting Gel, HESMU
Cleanse: Burt's Bees Shampoo Bar (1x week)

My hair loves the Icequeen Method and overnight plopping.

CG since 02/03/10!

I learned that unless you're 100% positive you need protein, don't do a PT, especially without doing a DC after.
CypressMom
3A - I think!

I like to use, but not all at once:
Wash: V05 Tea Therapy or CJ Daily Fix
Condition: CJ Curl Rehab (apply as needed, not daily)
Style: CCCC Lite, CIAB, and BRHG. KCCC is my #1 product
My hair has been spoiled by DT's and PT's. I used to get great hair days everyday before I started...now by the end of the week my hair looks a hot mess.
:/

At least I know I love protein! And my hair is, in all actuality, very fine...I just have SO SO much of it!!
But could you elaborate more on the modified overnight plop? What I do is use a l/s shirt, position the neck closest to me, fold the bottom over the back of my head, bring the arms/sleeves up and cross at the nape of my neck and then tie on the top of my head. I get weird hair sometimes, but I love the convenience of an overnight plop.
Originally Posted by plunkybug
I started off plopping just like you do, except I left the sleeves tied at the nape rather than on top of my head (when I tied on top it would inevitably end up sliding off). Then I read about the Live Curly Live Free method, which sounded soooo much more comfortable for sleeping. (See the link Elita posted for more info on this method.) So I ran out and bought some flour sack towels and started plopping this way.

However, my head is a little bigger than I thought it was. I don't have enough of the towel left in the front to tie, so I secure the two ends together with an elastic. This plop is great, but oh so tight! In the mornings I was getting terrible flat-top since my hair was so compacted. Plus a little bit of a headache from having my towel on so tightly.

So once I lay down and am all settled in bed, the very last thing I do before I zonk out is to reach up and take the elastic off. That's it. I leave everything exactly where it is, just take the elastic off. The towel gradually loosens up overnight as I sleep. Some mornings I wake up to find that it's still loosely draped around my head, sometimes it's still in place, and sometimes it's completely gone (guess it depends on how much I toss and turn that particular night). Either way, for most of the night my curls stay within the confines of the plop, but it's not so tight that it (scientific word alert!) smushes my roots completely flat.
Originally Posted by Rona V.
I read the link, and this sounds pretty close to what I am already doing, except I am using a l/s shirt so there is no "tail" because it isn't a towel folded into a triangle. But essentially once I fold the back/tail up, I criss-cross the arms at the neck and then tie on top of my head. But maybe I can untie the arms on top of my head when I go to bed so that the plop is looser, but I do shift positions a lot til I can get to sleep so I don't know if it will work for me.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

I found a video using the triangle, and it looks like it is tighter than what I get with my t-shirt. Hmmm...might have to go to get a cloth for this and change from a shirt...it looks like it would be less bulky. I wonder if I could find a suitable fabric at Value Village and re-purpose it for this...still don't know if it would give funky curls at the top, but maybe if I loosened it before sleeping.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

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