As for organic stuff, PSF is all about natural, too, but they cut to the chase and give you the important details. When I've tried finding a non-detergent cleanser it's all: blahbitty blah blah organic milk from just birthed yak that will hydrate your skin, distilled Icelandic snow purifies the skin, ground seeds of nightlock berries serve as powerful anti-oxidants, blah, blah, blah. Oh what's that, you can't give me a full ingredients list? Or better yet, all those things are in there along with SLS, or there's seemingly no actual cleansing agent. Forget getting a PH out of them!