Tressemme naturals, the moisturizing it. I'm going to try Devacurl One C when I can get my hands on some. I tried GVP conditioning balm and it was ok but I prefer the tressemme. I'm also going to try out some other conditioners....hmm suave coconut..must try it next.
I tried both CJ cccc and the honey butta and was disappointed . Definitely not enough hold.
I'd like to hear what others use as well.

ETA: I've heard the kenra works really good for some.
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