/for some reason, I have not had good luck with HETT. I had better luck with the Tousle me Softly pre-cg, when I did not know what I was doing. The Deva foam is like the Aveda Phomllient, but has more hold and more curl defining properties. The Aveda product seems to be for fine haired gals. I did not like the Suave mousse either...