I did want to throw in their I tried using the Curl Keeper Skip Curl Technique and it was an epic FAIL for me! LOL! It just seemed to pull the curl out of my hair. Think I have too loose of a curl pattern for it. I plan on going back to scrunching the product in to encourage curl formation and then plop. I'm very intrigued about using KY instead of CK. I'm about 1/2 way through my bottle already and only had it for a couple of weeks now.