After my hair got longer (maybe 3-4 inches stretched), I couldnt get my finger coils to look right. Think puffy roots with a cute coil on the end : /. Not the look I was going for, LOL. I've found that if I use gel (I use Eco Olive) with the small curl perm rods (little blue ones) it gives me the same look. I style on wet hair & sit under the hood dryer for a bit. Take down when comletely dry. This style lasts me weeks. Just something else to try, Good luck!