thanks for replying, that's super helpful. yeah im reallyyyy into DIY but i might have the salon do it the first time and see if they can get it right lol. HOWEVER first im gonna try all-over lightening using honey. (ha) i just want it a couple shades lighter with some extra-blond streaks for definition. so maybe ill use honey and THEN get highlights, or i may just stop at honey (if it works.) has anyone tried honey? and how light can you get, is there a limit? cuz ive only seen really subtle results...has anyone kept at it and achieved SUPER light hair color?