To me it seems like honeyquat is for adding moisture not really hold. I haven't tried to interchange agave nectar with honeyquat yet. I think ill experiment with it during "winter time"(that's a laugh living in FL) rather than summer here. I have made couple successful batches so far with recipe as follows 2 tblsp of Marshmallow root with 4c of distilled water and 1 full cup of horizontal sliced okra. Low boil for 30-40mins. This yield 2cups of okra gel. I then add kathymack' s portions for the preservatives and 1/4+1/8tsp of agave nectar, 1/4tsp mag flakes, 1/2 tsp of sucragel. Too chicken to try grapeseed oil.