Dusalocks, funny you say that because I actually used AVG as my "styler" tonight. I use SM CSM and they some AVG on top. I had great shiny clumps and they are super soft. I am sure I would need more hold if I was going outside (in FL humidity), but I was in for the night and didn't want to use gel or anything extra on my hair.

If I used AVG as my styler, do you think it would be ok to add some hard hold gel on top?
Fine texture
Low/ Med porosity
Med density

Wash: SM MR, GTTT
RO: SM MR, GTTT
LI: SM CSM or SM MR
Styling:AVG, KCCC, Volumax MEGA (HG), Joico Curl Definer