Even after SOTC? I find that the nasty crunchy gels end up giving great hold and definition after SOTC. I'm not a fan of the look while drying/styling, but end result is grand.
3a/2c, medium thickness, medium density, medium porosity (I think!
Cleanser: Deva No-Poo
Conditioner: Deva OneCondition
Stylers: Spiral Solutions Firm Hold Gel/Spiral Solutions Shapely Spirals (formerly Curl Enhancing Jelly)